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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2018 22:33:50 GMT -5
Please....there is not one thing a Lockbaum or Perry (or really, many of us on this board actually) couldn't do as an AD at Holy Cross that a Nate Pine-type could do.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 15, 2018 22:53:18 GMT -5
Whoever that gets hired has to have experience as an administrator in D-! sports..There is so much paper to push as an AD that someone with no experience would be lost..RPJR has no experience nor does Gordie..Look for HC to hire either somebody who has been and Assistant AD at the D-1 level, or somebody from a D-2 school who was an AD...HC is not going to be a step up for most D-1 AD's, but perhaps there is that person out there who wants to move back to this region of the country..Are there any Alums out there who are currently AD's at the college level? Wrong.
The majority of "paper-pushing" at D1 schools (even at HC's level) is done by assistant/associate AD's.
Pat Haden, Mike Garret, and now Lynn Swann at Southern Cal, Phil Fulmer at Tenn, Mike Holder at Okla St., Barry Alvarez at Wisc to name a few are AD's who came from the competition side of their schools and weren't fully immersed in day-to-day athletic ops prior to their hiring.
HC's athletic admin office is now staffed with someone specific to manage each aspect of the dept. This isn't the HC athletic offices of old.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2018 22:56:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I really want Gordie filling out those NCAA compliance forms....freaking ridiculous.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2018 23:47:45 GMT -5
I should think we are looking for someone with vision, leadership abilities, powers of persuasion, charisma. As ACTP notes we should have technical experts to handle the minutia
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2018 7:29:14 GMT -5
While I agree that neither Nate nor his successor probably fill out all that paperwork, I would make an educated guess that he/she has to sign any NCAA submissions and is responsible for its content. That said, I still insist that Gordie will probably have no interest in this job. As much as he loves Holy Cross, I don't believe he would want the high profile that comes with it . . . . and probably the paycut. I hope he surprises me.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 16, 2018 8:50:22 GMT -5
No one is saying Gordie or RPJ is interested in would take the job, or even be asked (though their interest should be gauged, or at least be on a selection committee). What I'm saying is that to think an AD in today's world must be a pencil-pushing desk jockey versed in every NCAA detail is not true. As I noted above there are plenty of examples. What's needed are the qualities that KY notes, plus the ability to identify coaching talent.
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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 16, 2018 10:49:31 GMT -5
Pine was a gifted marketer, but you can't tweet your way to athletic glory. Was there ever any doubt that he was here to get his ticket punched and move on? We need a real sports guy who's obsessed with winning and will hire coaches who are like-minded! Don't expect Fr. Burroughs to have the right instincts about this.
Let's invest in people, not buildings. Make HC a destination, not a way station. Get a serious, scrappy winner on the way up and link his incentives ($$$) to winning teams. If his coaches and teams are winning on the playing field, make him rich!!! 11
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Post by joe on Dec 16, 2018 11:00:23 GMT -5
I’d like to see someone who has HC ties and is in this for the long term, and who does not see this as a steppingstone. He or she may be someone with enough financial success from a previous career where the job description trumps salary and there are no aspirations to be AD anywhere else. Would love to see this be a former athlete or coach with a passion for HC athletics that just cannot be gained without having toiled on Mt. St. James.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 16, 2018 11:13:15 GMT -5
Pine was a gifted marketer, but you can't tweet your way to athletic glory. Was there ever any doubt that he was here to get his ticket punched and move on? We need a real sports guy who's obsessed with winning and will hire coaches who are like-minded! Don't expect Fr. Burroughs to have the right instincts about this. Let's invest in people, not buildings. Make HC a destination, not a way station. Get a serious, scrappy winner on the way up and link his incentives ($$$) to winning teams. If his coaches and teams are winning on the playing field, make him rich!!! 11 A "...winner on the way up" is never going to look at HC as a "destination" job.
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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 16, 2018 11:43:10 GMT -5
An alum wouldn't....remember Ralph Willard? Comparing coaches to ADs, but the analogy stands.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2018 11:53:44 GMT -5
Why don't we try to steal Bucknell's AD?
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Post by Ray on Dec 16, 2018 11:59:04 GMT -5
Why don't we try to steal Bucknell's AD? He's only been there for a couple of months. Not bloody likely.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 16, 2018 12:01:35 GMT -5
An alum wouldn't....remember Ralph Willard? Comparing coaches to ADs, but the analogy stands. Ralph was not "on the way up" when he came to HC. He was well into his 50's and only became available to HC because he was fired from Pitt and HC gave him a sh*tload of $. He was worth every cent, but the Willard analogy doesn't work for what you stated you are looking for.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 16, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -5
Never is a long time, but agree that in 2018 a winner on the way up is not going to see HC as a destination.
An AD is a general manager and so needs to understand a little about everything - i.e., they need to know enough to ask the right questions and understand enough details to know when someone is BS-ing them.
At work, we’ve created maturity models to assess where a specific organization is in development of key functions. Maturity covers 4-5 levels of maturity from elementary to world class.
If I were to create a maturity model for HC Athletics, off the top of my head it would include components for non-coach staffing, coaching, fund raising, marketing, promotion, facilities (not including the Luth because I see that as a byproduct of fund raising), student athlete experience/support, community engagement and I’m sure there are others.
In general Nate Pine advanced that model on all fronts, with strong gains in fund raising and promotion (all the social media stuff), solid steps forward in facilities, marketing, non-coaching staff & student-athlete experience, and a baby-step or two in coaching and community engagement.
The new AD needs to be someone who can maintain the gains and help make big steps forward in coaching and community engagement.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2018 12:46:23 GMT -5
Why don't we try to steal Bucknell's AD? He's only been there for a couple of months. Not bloody likely. I don't know who Bucknell's AD is and was not aware of a recent change. I was just trying to suggest that we find someone who has been successful in the PL and poach him/her. So, I referenced Bucknell because the school has done pretty well in athletics over the past decade. Looks like someone else already poached the Bucknell AD
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Post by Ray on Dec 16, 2018 13:32:24 GMT -5
He's only been there for a couple of months. Not bloody likely. I don't know who Bucknell's AD is and was not aware of a recent change. I was just trying to suggest that we find someone who has been successful in the PL and poach him/her. So, I referenced Bucknell because the school has done pretty well in athletics over the past decade. Looks like someone else already poached the Bucknell AD Yup, I get it. As you say, that card has already been played.
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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 16, 2018 14:08:01 GMT -5
An alum wouldn't....remember Ralph Willard? Comparing coaches to ADs, but the analogy stands. Ralph was not "on the way up" when he came to HC. He was well into his 50's and only became available to HC because he was fired from Pitt and HC gave him a sh*tload of $. He was worth every cent, but the Willard analogy doesn't work for what you stated you are looking for. Totally agree. Get a winner at whatever point in his career and pay him a pot o' gold if necessary. He's got to get a clear message from Fr. Burroughs--this is where the idea breaks down--As Talia Shire said to Rocky Balboa from her hospital bed...Win!!
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 16, 2018 15:40:11 GMT -5
As I typed in another thread, while it's not out of the question that HC could attract an alum to be a lifer in the AD spot, if you look at what's happened with AD positions recently in the PL you'll see what the trend is. These positions attract rising administrators who will likely move on to a bigger, better job several years down the road. That's not a bad thing. Army and Navy could be viewed as "destination jobs," while the others by nature are going to attract a more transient pool of candidates.
Whomever is the right fit for the position, whether it's an HC alum or not, will largely be based on what the President and BOT signal as the most important tasks they want the next AD to tackle. Now that Luth is done, what is/are the next big ticket item(s) to address?
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 16, 2018 16:41:15 GMT -5
New AD priority
Basketball and Hockey-Win, and move to better conferences
Football? Who know what they want with this, for all the money they got out of the 93 million, should be looking FBS!
Eliminate a lot of non-revenue sports based on student size.
Really become Worcester’s team!
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Post by Ray on Dec 16, 2018 16:48:43 GMT -5
New AD priority Basketball and Hockey-Win, and move to better conferences Football? Who know what they want with this, for all the money they got out of the 93 million, should be looking FBS! Eliminate a lot of non-revenue sports based on student size.
AD makes none of the decisions about conference affiliation. Those are coming from the president and board.
Oh, and the decisions you ask for are decidedly NOT coming.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2018 17:04:40 GMT -5
But, Ray...your points do not fit the script some have long put forward about how simple a fix this could be.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 16, 2018 17:08:24 GMT -5
New AD priority Basketball and Hockey-Win, and move to better conferences Football? Who know what they want with this, for all the money they got out of the 93 million, should be looking FBS! Eliminate a lot of non-revenue sports based on student size.
AD makes none of the decisions about conference affiliation. Those are coming from the president and board.
Oh, and the decisions you ask for are decidedly NOT coming.
The decisions about dropping sports won't come from the AD either. The school prides itself on having a broad-based D1 program. It's a major part of institutional philosophy. That's not changing sans a major shift in thinking from the top.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 16, 2018 17:15:30 GMT -5
My point exactly, without some major shifts, Mickey Mouse could be next AD and it wouldn’t matter!
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Post by gks on Dec 16, 2018 18:54:08 GMT -5
Football should be the priority of the athletic department. Drives fundraising for the year and brings in the most money.
Sets the tone for the year.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 16, 2018 19:05:18 GMT -5
The challenge with going FBS is you can't just go FBS, you have to go way up the ladder. Are schools in the MAC, for instance, more relevant nationally than a good FCS team? And to leap frog that level, you're talking MUCHO dinero.
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