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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2019 17:23:38 GMT -5
Amen, brother!!!
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 4, 2019 17:39:57 GMT -5
I just want Austin to take and hit 2-3 3s before attacking the rim. He seems to do much better inside when he has already established himself outside in a game. It seems to boost his confidence in his entire game and kicks in his adrenaline. BTW, I would like to see him get a few more floor burns which seems to have been missing lately. Bet the coaches are happy he finds himself on the floor less but, to me, that shows his fervor for the game. NAD's last post "nailed it."
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 17:40:31 GMT -5
I've said it before, and will keep saying it until he graduates: the numbers don't do Austin justice as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he makes mistakes, and efg, I think you make a great point about him not having the opportunity to learn from the bench. However, I think he is instrumental in helping give the team a collective sense of confidence that is impossible to measure. I don't care if he doesn't rate highly with Ken Pomeroy, Jeff Goodman, Howard Garfinkel, Howard Stern, Red Auerbach or Red Skelton - I want him invading enemy gyms with that swagger. We all hated John Griffin; I'm sure he didn't give a hoot, and I'm sure Bucknell fans were glad to have him. That's how I feel about Austin. And if we are fortunate enough to win a title while he's here, I hope I can weasel my way into a picture with him and the championship trophy! I am sure he would be most happy to pose with someone of your distinction.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2019 17:53:31 GMT -5
Well put, NAD. I remember seeing him in his freshman year at Sacred Heart (with his family there). He took a 3 point shot and it rimmed out. The look of shock on his face was worth seeing. This was a player who expected to win and to succeed at whatever was needed to do just that. I can certainly tolerate an occasional mistake for the fight he always brings to the court and to his teammates.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:55 GMT -5
I just want Austin to take and hit 2-3 3s before attacking the rim. He seems to do much better inside when he has already established himself outside in a game. It seems to boost his confidence in his entire game and kicks in his adrenaline. BTW, I would like to see him get a few more floor burns which seems to have been missing lately. Bet the coaches are happy he finds himself on the floor less but, to me, that shows his fervor for the game. NAD's last post "nailed it." The most positive expression on the bench last night was when Faw hit the floor for a loose ball in the second half-only real happiness expressed by HC all game as I said earlier once Austin slows down and let’s the game come to him he can be terrific
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 18:05:47 GMT -5
Michael Vicens, Keith Hochstein, Joe Carbeillara (sp), Jared Curry, etc. never let the game come to them.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 18:09:32 GMT -5
Well put, NAD. I remember seeing him in his freshman year at Sacred Heart (with his family there). He took a 3 point shot and it rimmed out. The look of shock on his face was worth seeing. This was a player who expected to win and to succeed at whatever was needed to do just that. I can certainly tolerate an occasional mistake for the fight he always brings to the court and to his teammates. His family and the Pittsburgh contingent of about 20 are positive and supportive. They get on him, but like each of us as parents/family they are protective i want him to make mistakes today and even as a senior, because to me that means he is trying, learning and wants to win! As he learns from these mistakes he will better understand the game and how to break down his opponent.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2019 18:11:01 GMT -5
Michael Vicens never let the game come to him. More and more he reminds me of Mike Vincens - tenacious.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 18:13:15 GMT -5
Michael Vicens never let the game come to him. But he was special the players we get today are not at the level you and others were before the program took a different direction-but the teams can be every bit as competitive if the investment of resources across the department are done wisely.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 4, 2019 18:17:47 GMT -5
BTW, I would like to see him get a few more floor burns which seems to have been missing lately. Bet the coaches are happy he finds himself on the floor less but, to me, that shows his fervor for the game.
I think it was the Harvard game where he went down in a scrum with a Harvard player and seemed to hurt his shoulder. He definitely hasn't been hitting the hardwood like he normally does. Other than that, he's been his usual hell bent for leather self.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 4, 2019 18:19:05 GMT -5
Black tape has been on his right shoulder ever since that tumble. It does make me a bit nervous to see it.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 18:21:58 GMT -5
Michael Vicens never let the game come to him. Moe and more he reminds me of Mike Vincens - tenacious. Love his effort and agree with your views on most things because you are so positive and objective, but he would be a level or two below Michael. MVwas more than tenacious and nobody wanted to play against him austin has a special mentality, probably from football, but Vicens was a special athlete and player as his career progresses I see him playing multiple roles for this team and when he graduates it would be great if he and his energy could be cloned
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 4, 2019 19:37:57 GMT -5
Tenacious and other positive points here. While not looking to deflect this thread (already has taken a turn from Jehyve to Austin), I don't think I ever read anywhere who the captain(s) of the team are this year. I do recall Carmody saying something along the lines like "I don't believe in captains, everyone has to be a leader" or words to that effect. With seniors Floyd and Benzan, are they/shouldn't they be the captains? Have I missed something?
I guess what I was thinking is with this sophomore class, who would be captain in two years - maybe even next year? Recall that Milan put a sophomore as a captain.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 20:06:26 GMT -5
Michael Vicens, Keith Hochstein, Joe Carbeillara (sp), Jared Curry, etc. never let the game come to them. Hoops with all due respect they are all at a much higher level tommy K would have them between 4- to 5- players-they had above average talent, great energy and a passion for the game today we get between 2+ and on occasion a 3+ coming out of high school If I recall correctly Green was the highest ranked in this class at a 3+ And on Scout etc they were all 2*
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 20:10:41 GMT -5
That said ratings in high school are a snap shot in time based on a quick look at camp, a few tournament games and coaches input. Once they move to the next level they are only a piece of the equation
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 20:13:47 GMT -5
I was not clear. My comparison was with this group and Austin’s grit, determination, intensity, competitiveness, not talent level on which I totally agree with you, with the possible exception of Curry and Carbelleira (non scholarships)
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 4, 2019 20:55:47 GMT -5
Michael Vicens, Keith Hochstein, Joe Carbeillara (sp), Jared Curry, etc. never let the game come to them. Hoops with all due respect they are all at a much higher level tommy K would have them between 4- to 5- players-they had above average talent, great energy and a passion for the game today we get between 2+ and on occasion a 3+ coming out of high school If I recall correctly Green was the highest ranked in this class at a 3+ And on Scout etc they were all 2*
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2019 21:12:45 GMT -5
Classmate Joe Carballeira was a good ballplayer and Jared Curry's intensity and competitiveness are legendary but I certainly don't see them as better players than AB. Given my choice of the three I'll take Butler.
Mike Vicens is another story--an explosive first step to the basket, big scorer, not a great shooter, but an excellent rebounder and defender, would be levels above the others, excluding Keith H whom I never saw play.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 21:20:29 GMT -5
Keith had the same intensity and toughness, as Mike, and was as talented in a different way. He scored close to the hoop like Mike, could post and hit short jumpers. He was a dominant rebounder, being 6th in the country as a junior, at 6’3-4
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 21:38:23 GMT -5
You are probably right but I would rate them as follows
Watched KH on film my freshmen year with Peter Knapp and Buddy Venne-I will say wow because he was as tough as nails but defer to hoops for full description.
Curry would be next and then I would take Joe third because he was more advanced in his understanding of the game and better coached so he could play to his strengths
I might have a different assessment after Butler completes his career but as of now that is where I see them
Look I like Butler and if he develops he will have a terrific PL career, but not sure he is the third best in his group Grandson and Green have more upside and for now the jury is out on Faw and Niego, but as bigs I have my fingers crossed-consider the development of Floyd since his freshman year
The four you mentioned are each terrific competitors and you want them on the floor with you
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 4, 2019 22:10:10 GMT -5
You are probably right but I would rate them as follows Watched KH on film my freshmen year with Peter Knapp and Buddy Venne-I will say wow because he was as tough as nails but defer to hoops for full description. Curry would be next and then I would take Joe third because he was more advanced in his understanding of the game and better coached so he could play to his strengths I might have a different assessment after Butler completes his career but as of now that is where I see them Look I like Butler and if he develops he will have a terrific PL career, but not sure he is the third best in his group Grandson and Green have more upside and for now the jury is out on Faw and Niego, but as bigs I have my fingers crossed-consider the development of Floyd since his freshman year The four you mentioned are each terrific competitors and you want them on the floor with you No interest in Vicens?
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 22:13:58 GMT -5
In a class by himself
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Post by efg72 on Jan 4, 2019 22:16:14 GMT -5
But not much above KH and if I saw him live it might have been different
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Post by hchoops on Jan 4, 2019 22:25:46 GMT -5
Some of the best 1 on 1 games I witnessed was Keith Hochstein vs Togo in the field house.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 4, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5
Some of the best 1 on 1 games I witnessed was Keith Hochstein vs Togo in the field house. When I was at HC the common belief was that Togo had never lost a game of 1 on 1 . Never. Whether that was true or not, I certainly repeated it
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