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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 0:51:06 GMT -5
Well, we won't have to worry about Lehigh anytime soon. When Gilmore had good players, his HC teams were very good. He struggled when roster depth was decimated as the Ivy ramped up their "scholarships" and the NEC also went fully schollie, while he was left with nothing and an Admissions Director that was a huge pain in the arse. With a fresh start at Lehigh and full scholarships with an admissions situation that has to be better, if he can get things ramped up like he did in his first few years at HC, we could be in trouble. Coach Gilmore was a great coach during my time at HC, however, I would be lying if I wasn't a little disappointed with the move back to the Patriot League. Honestly, I wanted him to take the FBS by storm as a DC. Hope the kids at Lehigh are ready for the hell that awaits them as he "weeds out the weak"... Winter Workouts and Tommy G Fun Runs.
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Post by gks on Jan 10, 2019 8:22:41 GMT -5
Lehigh sounds like where HC was a few years ago. I see HC on the upswing...think Lehigh has hit the bottom quite yet.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2019 15:02:02 GMT -5
Lehigh sounds like where HC was a few years ago. I see HC on the upswing...think Lehigh has hit the bottom quite yet. I'm pretty sure most Lehigh fans would say it cant get worse than what we saw from them this year. I will tell you this: a TG-led team will surprise SOMEONE next year. Re building for sure for a couple years but there will be a statement game somewhere on the 2019 schedule.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2019 15:40:15 GMT -5
Just hope it isn't against Holy Cross.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 10, 2019 15:52:55 GMT -5
Lehigh sounds like where HC was a few years ago. I see HC on the upswing...think Lehigh has hit the bottom quite yet. I'm pretty sure most Lehigh fans would say it cant get worse than what we saw from them this year. I will tell you this: a TG-led team will surprise SOMEONE next year. Re building for sure for a couple years but there will be a statement game somewhere on the 2019 schedule. While I have no ill-will towards TG I just don't see him landing the sort of recruits he needs this year to turn things around in terms of team quality. BUT Lehigh does play 3 NEC teams in 2019 (they were 1-0 v NEC this year), beat awful Bucknell and arch-rival awful Lafayette easily last year, and won't be playing Navy and Princeton again this year - so they may improve on this year's 3-8 record with TG at the helm now that I think of it (even with a depleted roster). Agree that TG will surprise - who expected that 51-26 drubbing of #9-ranked UNH last year (less than month before he was fired)?
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Post by richh on Jan 10, 2019 19:57:00 GMT -5
When Gilmore had good players, his HC teams were very good. He struggled when roster depth was decimated as the Ivy ramped up their "scholarships" and the NEC also went fully schollie, while he was left with nothing and an Admissions Director that was a huge pain in the arse. With a fresh start at Lehigh and full scholarships with an admissions situation that has to be better, if he can get things ramped up like he did in his first few years at HC, we could be in trouble. Coach Gilmore was a great coach during my time at HC, however, I would be lying if I wasn't a little disappointed with the move back to the Patriot League. Honestly, I wanted him to take the FBS by storm as a DC. Hope the kids at Lehigh are ready for the hell that awaits them as he "weeds out the weak"... Winter Workouts and Tommy G Fun Runs. LU guys already have winter work outs.and 5:30am runs. TG is an excellent recruiter and coach.He will have the team prepared. My concern is in game coaching. He does best leaving that to his assts. Other than recruiting, he needs to put together a good staff. He said today that he would be making changes next week.
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Post by deep Purple on Jan 10, 2019 21:15:38 GMT -5
I hope he is very successful.
I would also hope that when they play Lafayette and the score is tied at seven with two minutes left in the 4th qtr and its 4th down on their own thirty yard line, he punts.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2019 21:43:47 GMT -5
Just hope it isn't against Holy Cross. Bulletin. Board. Material. I would 100 percent bet Lehigh to beat whatever the spread is next year.
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Post by nplang08 on Jan 18, 2019 3:30:09 GMT -5
When Gilmore had good players, his HC teams were very good. He struggled when roster depth was decimated as the Ivy ramped up their "scholarships" and the NEC also went fully schollie, while he was left with nothing and an Admissions Director that was a huge pain in the arse. With a fresh start at Lehigh and full scholarships with an admissions situation that has to be better, if he can get things ramped up like he did in his first few years at HC, we could be in trouble. Coach Gilmore was a great coach during my time at HC, however, I would be lying if I wasn't a little disappointed with the move back to the Patriot League. Honestly, I wanted him to take the FBS by storm as a DC. Hope the kids at Lehigh are ready for the hell that awaits them as he "weeds out the weak"... Winter Workouts and Tommy G Fun Runs. Wonder if Lehigh will get the iron man shirts during camp. “Rub some dirt on it”
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 11, 2021 0:35:43 GMT -5
Well, we won't have to worry about Lehigh anytime soon. Soothsayer.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 11, 2021 0:41:30 GMT -5
This is a de facto case study. Assuming no other variables, if the same coach wins at School A but not School B, the problem is with School B. If he doesn’t win at either place. the problem is with the coach. I find this to be a most interesting story line. The only indisputable fact at this point is that Lehigh will out for blood when we play them. Holy Cross is looking good in your case study so far.
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 11, 2021 7:29:45 GMT -5
It's hard to believe how far the Lehigh program has slipped.
They are 0-6, have not scored a TD yet, and have been shut out in the second half the entire season.
They have rushed for 206 yards......TOTAL IN SIX GAMES. Their opponents have rushed for 1368.
They've tried 4 different QBs. Their collective average QB rating is 72.84. Their opponents collective QB rating is 149.12.
Their next two games are with Fordham and HC.
Gilmore is not a great college FB coach. We know that. But this is ridiculous.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 11, 2021 8:48:45 GMT -5
With the bye week for Lehigh now would be the time to make a change and dismiss Gilmore - if he’s likely to be out after the season anyway, I’d say make the move now
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Post by ignatius on Oct 11, 2021 8:51:14 GMT -5
It's hard to believe how far the Lehigh program has slipped. They are 0-6, have not scored a TD yet, and have been shut out in the second half the entire season. They have rushed for 206 yards......TOTAL IN SIX GAMES. Their opponents have rushed for 1368. They've tried 4 different QBs. Their collective average QB rating is 72.84. Their opponents collective QB rating is 149.12. Their next two games are with Fordham and HC. Gilmore is not a great college FB coach. We know that. But this is ridiculous. It’s almost like his players hate him…where have I heard that before?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 11, 2021 10:42:02 GMT -5
How about not kicking a real good guy when he's down?
Thanks.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 11, 2021 10:48:59 GMT -5
It's hard to believe how far the Lehigh program has slipped. They are 0-6, have not scored a TD yet, and have been shut out in the second half the entire season. They have rushed for 206 yards......TOTAL IN SIX GAMES. Their opponents have rushed for 1368. They've tried 4 different QBs. Their collective average QB rating is 72.84. Their opponents collective QB rating is 149.12. Their next two games are with Fordham and HC. Gilmore is not a great college FB coach. We know that. But this is ridiculous. It’s almost like his players hate him…where have I heard that before? Sometime between 2011 and 2014 there was a generational change in the student athlete. Gilmore's style did not resonate well with a number of alum I have spoken to who played in his later years at HC. I imagine he's having the same issues now at Lehigh. That being said, Gilmore is responsible for creating a winning culture at Holy Cross starting from the moment he took over here. Those efforts culminated in our first conference championship in 18 years, in 2009. No one can ever take that away from him. He didn't just get lucky with Dom Randolph -- he rebuilt the mentality of the program from the bottom up. As other posters have discussed, the teams prior to TG taking over had talent, they just didn't have the winning mindset and expextation level demanded by Gilmore when he got here. The Lehigh disaster is far worse than anyone could have imagined. It didn't work out. Sometimes your time is just up. Happens to almost everyone in just about every profession.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 11, 2021 10:57:29 GMT -5
crusader1970: We have a Classmate who was at the Harvard game and at halftime he expressed his utter exasperation and said "we need to get rid of Chesney! " My response was: "Should we bring back Tom Gilmore?" He said: "Yes, anyone else!" I will not divulge which classmate said this to me - to protect the guilty.
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Post by ignatius on Oct 11, 2021 11:09:49 GMT -5
How about not kicking a real good guy when he's down? Thanks. I have my own experience with Tom Gilmore. Apparently, you have yours. The results speak for themselves.
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Post by ignatius on Oct 11, 2021 11:20:24 GMT -5
It’s almost like his players hate him…where have I heard that before? Sometime between 2011 and 2014 there was a generational change in the student athlete. Gilmore's style did not resonate well with a number of alum I have spoken to who played in his later years at HC. I imagine he's having the same issues now at Lehigh. That being said, Gilmore is responsible for creating a winning culture at Holy Cross starting from the moment he took over here. Those efforts culminated in our first conference championship in 18 years, in 2009. No one can ever take that away from him. He didn't just get lucky with Dom Randolph -- he rebuilt the mentality of the program from the bottom up. As other posters have discussed, the teams prior to TG taking over had talent, they just didn't have the winning mindset and expextation level demanded by Gilmore when he got here. The Lehigh disaster is far worse than anyone could have imagined. It didn't work out. Sometimes your time is just up. Happens to almost everyone in just about every profession. Nah, it’s not a generational thing. Gilmore has been stuck in the 70s since he used to play. He got lucky with Randolph and let’s not pretend otherwise. I can’t believe we’re even still talking about this guy. I am of the generation that bridged the gap between Dan Allen and TG. Again, show me facts that contradict what I’m saying.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 11, 2021 11:44:46 GMT -5
From the Lehigh board (they have not had a single offensive drive so far): "a Richmond fumble and a blocked punt vs Colgate created the 6 points in those games. Without that field position it would be 5 straight games of ZERO points."
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 11, 2021 11:45:19 GMT -5
What facts have you presented? You said he “got lucky” with Dom but that’s an opinion, not fact. Also, Dom had an excellent offensive line that he would not have succeeded without. Did he get lucky with them as well? I stipulate that’s my opinion and not a fact either.
You had issues with Tom. OK, I understand that. My relationship with him was not player to coach but alum to coach and no question that’s a very different dynamic. That said, I have spoken to a number of his former players who loved the guy but with the caveat that his tough love approach was not well received by some players.
So, we can agree to disagree but, again, those are opinions and not facts you (and I) have presented.
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Post by ignatius on Oct 11, 2021 11:54:29 GMT -5
What facts have you presented? You said he “got lucky” with Dom but that’s an opinion, not fact. Also, Dom had an excellent offensive line that he would not have succeeded without. Did he get lucky with them as well? I stipulate that’s my opinion and not a fact either. You had issues with Tom. OK, I understand that. My relationship with him was not player to coach but alum to coach and no question that’s a very different dynamic. That said, I have spoken to a number of his former players who loved the guy but with the caveat that his tough love approach was not well received by some players. So, we can agree to disagree but, again, those are opinions and not facts you (and I) have presented. Facts: we fired him mideseason. He has yet to score a touchdown this season in his PL reboot. Why are you so vigorously defending him? Because you got gladhanded at an alumni event? The players at HC did not like playing for him. I can assure you that unrest was his undoing. It appears the players at LU don’t enjoy playing for him either. The litmus test suggests it was TG, not HC that had the problem. Keep waiving your pom poms for a rival head coach though.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 11, 2021 13:28:06 GMT -5
As a total neutral on this subject, can I suggest that we just move on (that last sentence was unnecessary).
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Post by ignatius on Oct 11, 2021 13:58:41 GMT -5
As a total neutral on this subject, can I suggest that we just move on (that last sentence was unnecessary). Stay neutral then. I don’t need you editing me.
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Post by joe on Oct 11, 2021 14:25:24 GMT -5
This is a de facto case study. Assuming no other variables, if the same coach wins at School A but not School B, the problem is with School B. If he doesn’t win at either place. the problem is with the coach. I find this to be a most interesting story line. The only indisputable fact at this point is that Lehigh will out for blood when we play them. Holy Cross is looking good in your case study so far. Looks like it, although I take little delight in seeing how bad it’s gotten for the players at Lehigh, which is far worse than I would have expected.
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