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Post by rf1 on Jan 24, 2020 9:41:25 GMT -5
Third straight year of at least a $40M athletics dept deficit at UConn. Burning huge sums of money there is nothing new as it is apparently the norm in Storrs.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 24, 2020 22:52:03 GMT -5
The Ville excels in multiple sports, revenue and non-revenue, and has a large and loyal fan base. It brought a lot more to the ACC than UConn could ever hope to bring Well, post-mortem, the ACC clearly made the right move. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2020 0:05:05 GMT -5
If the ACC had chosen UConn instead of B.C. they would have many more national championship pelts on the wall than BC has delivered while wearing an ACC patch on their uniforms. Plus the ACC would have been the top sports league in the whole state of CT., not an afterthought in MA. that has NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS.
BC has done well in hockey, but they don't wear an ACC patch on those uniform jerseys.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 25, 2020 6:54:35 GMT -5
If the ACC had chosen UConn instead of B.C. they would have many more national championship pelts on the wall than BC has delivered while wearing an ACC patch on their uniforms. Plus the ACC would have been the top sports league in the whole state of CT., not an afterthought in MA. that has NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS. BC has done well in hockey, but they don't wear an ACC patch on those uniform jerseys. Sorry but I don't think the ACC was or ever has been even the least bit conflicted about whether they made the right choice taking BC or UCONN. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2020 14:12:41 GMT -5
I accept that as fact based on your earned credibility. I guess I just perceive BC as mediocre across the board except in M&W hockey, which is irrelevant to the ACC, and equate UConn with excellence in M&W BB, despite the current dip in MBB. With 11WBB, 4MBB, Soccer and Field Hockey national championships in the last 25 years or so, UConn to me has much to offer.
While BC is much more competitive in FB they haven't come close to a national championship in either of the two ACC major sports. Perhaps the ACC sees BC as approaching elite national private University status similar to Duke, IDK.
Perhaps TV revenue from football makes BC a profitable addition to the ACC. But while BC can go to a sparsely attended Bowl game they don't appear to have any clear path to national championships like other ACC teams and UConn have accomplished.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 25, 2020 14:51:36 GMT -5
If the ACC had chosen UConn instead of B.C. they would have many more national championship pelts on the wall than BC has delivered while wearing an ACC patch on their uniforms. Plus the ACC would have been the top sports league in the whole state of CT., not an afterthought in MA. that has NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS. BC has done well in hockey, but they don't wear an ACC patch on those uniform jerseys. Boston College is an abject failure in the ACC but they were prepared to have all its sports suffer to prop up revenues for football. UConn will turn around the deficits once they join the Big East. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 25, 2020 15:37:28 GMT -5
I accept that as fact based on your earned credibility. I guess I just perceive BC as mediocre across the board except in M&W hockey, which is irrelevant to the ACC, and equate UConn with excellence in M&W BB, despite the current dip in MBB. With 11WBB, 4MBB, Soccer and Field Hockey national championships in the last 25 years or so, UConn to me has much to offer.
While BC is much more competitive in FB they haven't come close to a national championship in either of the two ACC major sports. Perhaps the ACC sees BC as approaching elite national private University status similar to Duke, IDK. Perhaps TV revenue from football makes BC a profitable addition to the ACC. But while BC can go to a sparsely attended Bowl game they don't appear to have any clear path to national championships like other ACC teams and UConn have accomplished. Conferences do not give a rat's ass about non-revenue field hockey and soccer. They care about 3 things: FB, MBB, and potential eye balls on the TV; and Boston is the 9th ranked DMA and Hartford 33rd, and UConnvict cares so little about it's horrendous FB team, that they essentially put a bullet to the program's head in an effort to save MBB. They don't have "much to offer". |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2020 15:53:27 GMT -5
BC doesn't get many of the eyeballs in the 9th ranked DMA. I enjoy listening to the two Boston sports radio stations when I have the opportunity. For every nine mentions BC gets on those stations, UConn has to get more than 33 on CT radio stations, even though I can't think of an all sports radio station in CT.
I'm not smart enough in Math to know if 33 eyeballs in the 33rd largest DMA is equal to 9 eyeballs in the ninth largest DMA, but BC is a minnow in a big pond while UConn is a whale in a small pond, at least when they are on a national championship run.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 25, 2020 16:38:02 GMT -5
It's not the eyeballs that BC may or may not bring. It's what the likes of Duke, UNC, and ND bring in MBB and what Clemson and FSU & Miami (when both are good) bring, and having a large TV market helps when negotiating broadcast rights.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2020 17:21:14 GMT -5
That makes sense. There could be more Boston viewers of Clemson vs FSU than for a BC football game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 25, 2020 21:08:03 GMT -5
That makes sense. There could be more Boston viewers of Clemson vs FSU than for a BC football game. Exactly. This is also the reason why Rutgers is in The Big Ten and not West Virginia, for example. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 25, 2020 22:40:03 GMT -5
  BC/Boston " big pond?!!" Compared to Hartford, yeah. But please, Boston, despite what the locals think, is not a big pond or market. That'd be NY, Chicago, L.A. Guess everything is relative. Providence is a big city. Well, within Rhode Island it is.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 25, 2020 22:56:20 GMT -5
^ did you not read what I wrote above? Bos in the 9th largest TV market in the country, and VERY important to all networks for all programming, including sports.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 25, 2020 23:08:22 GMT -5
/\ I did. #9 means they aren't a "big pond." Sorry. I'm from NY. That's a big pond. And probably why college sports not that big a deal there when you have 2 NFL teams in that market, 2 MLB teams, 2 NBA teams, 2 NHL teams.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 25, 2020 23:28:42 GMT -5
Bos is a BIG pond to those who make programming and advertising decisions, and the NY DMA has three NHL clubs, not two.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 25, 2020 23:30:28 GMT -5
I stand corrected on the NHL. Forgot the Devils. We can agree to disagree if #9 market is big. You think so. I don't. I won't convince you. You won't convince me.
Let's move on.
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Post by gks on Jan 26, 2020 8:17:18 GMT -5
/\ I did. #9 means they aren't a "big pond." Sorry. I'm from NY. That's a big pond. And probably why college sports not that big a deal there when you have 2 NFL teams in that market, 2 MLB teams, 2 NBA teams, 2 NHL teams. So by this logic NYC is a small pond compared to Tokyo? We all know why BC is in the ACC...the check. UConn owns the state of Connecticut. They are their pro team. Might be waning a bit with the men's hoops and football struggles. They have a large fan base. One that BC would die for. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 26, 2020 10:00:45 GMT -5
Relatively speaking, yes. NYC is a lot closer to Tokyo than Boston is to NYC (relative to "pond size" lest someone come back and say the distance is a lot closer).
Look, within the United States, and I understand these markets go beyond a city limit, Boston according to Bison is #9. OK, they made the top ten. Sorry, Boston is a mid-sized city with a fairly extensive metro area but growing up in the metro NY area, "the city" meant one and only city - NYC.
By any standard, Boston is not a large city. And it's market, maybe top 10, (I haven't checked). It has many things going for it, an educational "capital," for example. Its history. Its culture. But . . . it . . . is . . . NOT . . . big. It is not NYC. It is not L.A. It is not Chicago. It is not Dallas . . . . . .
I've made my point. If it makes anyone feel better to think and say Boston is a big city or big market, go for it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 26, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
As a former marketer, I would have definitely included Boston as a "big market" if I were contemplating where to invest or where to test market a brand. To suggest that Boston is not big because New York is so much bigger is, to me, like saying that Bill Russell at 6-10 was not big because Kareem Abdul Jabbar was 7-2.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 26, 2020 10:47:21 GMT -5
Relatively speaking, yes. NYC is a lot closer to Tokyo than Boston is to NYC (relative to "pond size" lest someone come back and say the distance is a lot closer). Look, within the United States, and I understand these markets go beyond a city limit, Boston according to Bison is #9. OK, they made the top ten. Sorry, Boston is a mid-sized city with a fairly extensive metro area but growing up in the metro NY area, "the city" meant one and only city - NYC. By any standard, Boston is not a large city. And it's market, maybe top 10, (I haven't checked). It has many things going for it, an educational "capital," for example. Its history. Its culture. But . . . it . . . is . . . NOT . . . big. It is not NYC. It is not L.A. It is not Chicago. It is not Dallas . . . . . . I've made my point. If it makes anyone feel better to think and say Boston is a big city or big market, go for it. 1) I'm not Bison. 2) Clearly you have no clue what a DMA is and how they are defined (it's not just the population of a city proper), and why the Boston-Manchester DMA was a desired market for the ACC. Do yourself a solid a tag out of this conversation as you're still not getting what's being said. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2020 11:53:41 GMT -5
CTP, a gracious offer of a lifeline to someone arguing "apples" in a discussion of oranges..  |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 26, 2020 12:10:19 GMT -5
1. I know you aren't Bison. 2. I also know you are much more expert than I about DMAs. If Boston is #9 DMA, a better analogy, KY, would be NYC is Josh Sankes and Boston is Joe Pridgen. And, I did concede from the outset that Boston is bigger than Hartford. It is obviously bigger than all but 8 other markets. 3. I will gladly "tag out" of this discussion but mostly because I really don't care where BC or UConn land in a conference. ACTP, you did read this, right?: I also recognize that this whole market/DMA discussion is relative to UConn/BC - Hartford/Boston, not NYC or any of the other 8 larger markets. However, if you insist on the last word, go for it. The playing field is open. |
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Post by matunuck on Jan 26, 2020 13:48:13 GMT -5
More goes into calculating a region’s market value than simply population, which a common mistake folks make.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 26, 2020 14:10:04 GMT -5
More goes into calculating a region’s market value than simply population, which a common mistake folks make. Of course you need to look at the CDI (Category Development Index, i.e. "per capita") of the product or service that you are selling. I'd rather own a snowmobile store in Fargo than in Los Angeles, for example. When it comes to football and basketball, though, I'd bet that there is a strong correlation between market size and market value- with some allowances for, say, SEC football territory, ACC (southern) basketball hotbeds, etc. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 27, 2020 15:19:06 GMT -5
I know we (and me too) like to trash BC football here, but comparing it to UConn is undervaluing it greatly.
Even with a mediocre coach they still won more than they lost. UConn hasn't come close to doing that in years.
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