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Post by cfrivals on Jan 19, 2019 20:54:02 GMT -5
4 games in March, that’s all that matters. We will hear that one soon! Yawn
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 19, 2019 20:54:52 GMT -5
I like the 11th picture. Providence taking that L. But so did BU haha.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 19, 2019 21:09:03 GMT -5
Hard to shoot from the bench and his fouls today were his fault, even if some were bad calls Down the stretch LC had everyone and his brother pack the lane. Floyd could not function, lost the ball 2 or 3 times. I thought the team tried pretty hard to get him the ball after the first few minutes of half #2. Two of the guys maybe he'd kick the ball out to failed miserably as well. Green 1-8, Faw 2-9. Green's ineptitude was made up somewhat by Pat's fine game, but Pat's not going to knock down a lot of shots. Plus, he had to be careful after foul #3 and especially after foul #4. Look the team failed today and they aren’t playing well, it is not just about giving Floyd the ball but when and how he receives it. We force him to create his own offense and as good as he is that is asking a lot. But we all watch the others stand around as he goes to the basket, with the possible exception of a Butler. Usually that results in not being ready to make a play if the ball is returned-stats suggest that to be the case
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2019 21:14:04 GMT -5
4 games in March, that’s all that matters. We will hear that one soon! Yawn We already have. By that thinking, Carmody first season at HC was a great success.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 19, 2019 21:15:47 GMT -5
4 games in March, that’s all that matters. We will hear that one soon! Yawn We already have. By that thinking, Carmody first season at HC was a great success. Yeah and as amazing as that run was, the team was no match against Oregon. You have to have a team that wins the league and can compete in the NCAA games. Example Loyola Chicago, Florida Gulf Coast.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2019 21:25:11 GMT -5
I am as puzzled and angry about today's loss and the loss at Navy as the next guy, but here are some facts that will astonish many posters:
Using our friend Ken Pomeroy's site
Last year we finished at # 290 This year, even with the two recent ignominious (apt word) losses we are at # 184
Our offense last year was #306; this year it is #193 Our defense last year was #256; this year it is #193
KenPom's calculations have us at about 6 points better per game than last year.
It's hard to believe after we lose games that we should win in hand, but objective measures say we have improved significantly over last year. Of course we all agree that we should have improved more and are not where we want to be.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2019 22:54:34 GMT -5
As I posted elsewhere, I did not see the game and not sure I even want to try to watch a replay based on what I am reading here.
A couple of general observations though. Earlier in the season I was impressed with the "snap" of our passing, unlike in past years. It sounds like what I have been observing in the last couple or three games has become worse - slow, lazy passes that get easily picked off, especially as they are often telegraphed.
Another observation: It seems that we use as an excuse that when we start playing in-conference games and especially when we start playing the "back nine" that we accept that we cannot do better because the opponent "knows our tendencies" and how to defend them better than OOC opponents, who haven't read the book on us. While I am sure there is much truth in that, we all seem to forget that's a two-way street. If another PL team knows how to defend us better, why is it that our coaches don't also learn how to defend them better?
I think this is an area that RW seems to have been far superior to Carmody. Carmody seems to be more akin to MB than RW in that if we lose, we just have to do the same thing next time only play harder or shoot better, or both.
Last point: Our team is never as good as we think it is when we are winning and never as bad as we think it is when we are losing. No one player is indispensable but if/when we get Connor back, it might be like when we got Eric Green back in the line-up. It'd be a much-needed shot in the arm.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 23:03:52 GMT -5
We suck....end qoute...seriously, you really care outside of being a hard-core alumnus?
Not sure what the answer is....but we just suck right now....why do you care outside of being a hard-core alumnus? It's obvious the school doesn't care at this point...I thank you for your service.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 19, 2019 23:18:11 GMT -5
JF had 4 TO's today. Doesn't sound like a lot, but when you measure it against the 38 total he has had for the season in 19 games - it is somewhat telling.
Loyola did a good job today collapsing on him whenever he touched the ball.
Very disappointing by both the players and coaches today, especially considering they had 4 days to prepare.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 23:25:56 GMT -5
Seriously, we lost to Loyola (MD) at home today....can we please, please get our heads out of our ass and join a basketball league that is fitting our basketball heritage??? Dear Christ.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2019 23:27:31 GMT -5
Ihoop what’s your drink of choice tonight?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 19, 2019 23:28:23 GMT -5
We got what you said 983 times ago 87.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2019 23:30:02 GMT -5
We got what you said 983 times ago 87. That was just last week--in fact, we got it well before that
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Post by bison137 on Jan 19, 2019 23:30:48 GMT -5
JF had 4 TO's today. Doesn't sound like a lot, but when you measure it against the 38 total he has had for the season in 19 games - it is somewhat telling. JF had 14 turnovers in the 12 games prior to Christmas. Since then he has 24 in 7 games (Iona plus six PL games). Has something changed or just major randomness?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 23:33:37 GMT -5
Seriously....it's not true??? Christ....used to love rooting for HC when it really mattered, not beating Lafayette. Can we please play PC and BC again in sports that really mattah???
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 19, 2019 23:35:45 GMT -5
Do yourself (and us) a solid 87 and go to bed.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 23:42:05 GMT -5
In all due respect ACTP...you didn't go to Holy Cross so you really don't have the hatred of BC and PC I have...
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 19, 2019 23:47:07 GMT -5
Wut?
"Hatred" of BC and Prov is germane to a loss to Loyola how?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 23:50:50 GMT -5
Germane in the fact that we should be be playing Villanova at the DCU not Loyola at the Hart....sad on HC's part
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Post by hc87 on Jan 20, 2019 0:12:47 GMT -5
Seriously. Who here is glad HC is playing in the Patriot League and not the Big East or A-10???
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Post by hc87 on Jan 20, 2019 0:30:44 GMT -5
I won't bite...promise....seriously curious on what you guys think....
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 20, 2019 5:56:56 GMT -5
I doubt you're interested in my opinion, '87, but since you didn't say "except NAD", I am going to weigh in.
I know you (and probably some others) will probably think I'm full of poop, but I honestly prefer low D-1 hoops over the rest, as I consider it to the highest level of true amateur basketball...... where the players get zero breaks off the court. Like I've said before, I don't base my musical tastes over who sells the most records, it's totally about what is pleasing to me. If it was all about level of competition, we should enjoy nothing but the NBA. I have watched more than maybe 5-10 minutes of any power conference game so far this year; on the other hand, I spend quite a bit of time watching games from the WCC, Big West, MAC, MAAC, Ivy, America East, etc. I respect those here who worry about the national brand of Holy Cross, but for me, it's just not something I spend any time thinking about.
Having said that......I want to watch winning basketball. I was as disappointed/upset as anyone in the gym yesterday - the guys are clearly not playing at the same level they were earlier. Coach Hardy I thought did a great job with his defensive game plan; JF's turnovers were not some freak thing. I'll say what I said last week - our players are missing not having the ex-players that let them down with their poor life decisions. I thought that could be a potential problem, and right now it's wreaking havoc with rotation options. I do want to see SOME kind of adjustments going forward. I really wish Dick L. would just ask Coach for his opinion on where Hargis and Verbeek are development wise.
I haven't given up on the team, though. I still believe our core group is mentally strong, and will respond at some point, hopefully sooner than later.
I don't expect anyone to totally understand where I'm coming from (or at all, actually), but I also don't need anyone to tell me what I should like and not like when it comes to my sports.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 20, 2019 6:59:41 GMT -5
If not for the actions of the ex players, we would not be operating with a 6 man rotation. Doesn't excuse sloppy play, but it is a fact.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 20, 2019 7:24:30 GMT -5
If not for the actions of the ex players, we would not be operating with a 6 man rotation. Doesn't excuse sloppy play, but it is a fact. When I raised the question of replacing Karl Charles during the summer, posters overwhelmingly viewed his loss as addition by subtraction, since we played so well (actually .500) after the suspensions. Stevens was not going to help, though.
Despite the suggestions of one or two posters that Hargis was an under-the-radar steal, he had no viable offers from anybody other than Holy Cross. Neither did Verbeek. Haven't given up on them, but clearly neither is ready to help now, despite our near-desperate need in the front court.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 20, 2019 7:27:44 GMT -5
JF had 14 turnovers in the 12 games prior to Christmas. Since then he has 24 in 7 games (Iona plus six PL games). Has something changed or just major randomness? Something has changed. We have to play teams now that actually prepare for us.
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