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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 11, 2020 7:51:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to conclude, other than two years seems a long time. I believed Dustin was tenured and we've all heard how hard it is to get rid of a tenured faculty member. There are due process, contract, and privacy issues involved. I saw him speak (perhaps at a Classroom Revisited session). He was brilliant. He was also self-important and narcissistic. I'm glad he's gone. IIRC there was an English professor at HC while I was there who became involved with a student, but they married, apparently pre-empting any disciplinary issues
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Post by timholycross on Sept 11, 2020 12:40:36 GMT -5
What, if anything, has been heard about the Gibbons case?
The world has changed since he filed the suit. Wonder if that puts the matter in a different light.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 11, 2020 12:59:39 GMT -5
What, if anything, has been heard about the Gibbons case? The world has changed since he filed the suit. Wonder if that puts the matter in a different light. I don't have any inside information, but according to the court's docket the parties recently filed a joint motion to extend discovery. Given the pandemic this is not surprising. The courts are technically re-opened but are doing very few in-person hearings. Everyone is struggling with how to conduct jury trials in the future. A colleague who was scheduled to try a case in Cambridge this month was just notified that the trial was postponed until November 2021. I still think the Gibbons case will settle, but probably not for a while.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 11, 2020 14:50:26 GMT -5
Yes, you're right, everything has slowed down or halted completely in the court system. One of many things the government, both federal and state; are going to have to spend money to fix in the next few years.
Specific to the Gibbons case, as the suspension came from his handling of a situation that involved person of color (Ms. Parks); I would have to agree that a settlement would be the best thing for all concerned (Gibbons, Holy Cross, Ms. Parks)
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 11, 2020 15:18:52 GMT -5
^ you have no way of knowing what's "the best thing for all concerned", and you'd be wise not to speculate.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 11, 2020 19:55:30 GMT -5
What's your position, ACTP; or is it too sensitive a topic for you to opine?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 11, 2020 20:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Sept 11, 2020 22:15:45 GMT -5
Well good luck to Bill because he's in a worse position now than he was then.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 12, 2020 13:26:30 GMT -5
Yes, you're right, everything has slowed down or halted completely in the court system. One of many things the government, both federal and state; are going to have to spend money to fix in the next few years. Specific to the Gibbons case, as the suspension came from his handling of a situation that involved person of color (Ms. Parks); I would have to agree that a settlement would be the best thing for all concerned (Gibbons, Holy Cross, Ms. Parks) I think the statement that a settlement is probably best for all concerned is true. I've tried many cases. I tell clients who are all fired up to sue someone that if they're looking for justice they might not find it in a courtroom. Our legal system will give you a result, but not always justice. How can one predict what a jury--twelve strangers bringing whatever biases they have--will do in any case? A settlement provides a certain result.Yes, sometimes cases cannot or should not be settled and should go to trial. I don't know all the facts of the Gibbons case but it's not hard to imagine that at trial allegations in great detail will be brought out into the open about all parties.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2020 15:09:28 GMT -5
Short answer: "Twelve Angry Men."
How could that no-good punk get off scot free after killing his father?! [for those who don't pay attention to my past posts, I'm joking.]
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 12, 2020 16:19:40 GMT -5
Short answer: " Twelve Angry Men." How could that no-good punk get off scot free after killing his father?! [for those who don't pay attention to my past posts, I'm joking.] That movie had an amazing cast. Every lawyer has horror stories about crazy things that juries have done. Overall, though, the juror system is better than any alternative. Robert Frost had a good quote about juries: "Juries are twelve person chosen to decide who has a better lawyer."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 13, 2020 14:38:42 GMT -5
The original movie with Henry Fonda is on my top 10 list of best movies ever made. As stated earlier the cast was amazing.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 14, 2020 11:17:27 GMT -5
I knew Henry Fonda and Lee J Cobb were the leads; but, jeez, look at some of these guys:
Martin Balsam Jack Warden Ed Begley Senior (could never see any resemblance between him and Junior!) E.G. Marshall Jack Klugman
And John Fiedler, Robert Webber and Edward Binns I did not know by name, but knew the faces instantly.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 14, 2020 17:55:26 GMT -5
I admit that I'm the one who got this thread off track but don't expect me to apologize for referencing not only my favorite movie of all time with an all-star cast and a study in social psychology dynamics. One person (Henry Fonda's architect) standing alone. Learned at Holy Cross that two people form a "group" and stand much stronger against a crowd than someone standing alone. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen the movie but intrigued enough to consider watching. If you have never seen this movie, you don't know what you are missing. Fully 98% of the movie is shot in one room, the jury room. The character development is outstanding as we slowly learn what makes each juror "tick." www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-12-angry-men-1957
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2020 18:55:14 GMT -5
I had never seen the whole movie but during the shutdown there was one library, one farm and one church that had "leave one take one" containers for people to share DVDs, CDs and books. I watched the movie and it was gripping. Now there is a poor man's Netflix, "PeacockTV.com" that offers movies online free with commercials, so I watched "Psycho" recently, another psychological classic I had never fully watched.
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