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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2019 20:51:08 GMT -5
I have posted before that while Fairfield will likely not bring back football, membership in what they would perceive as the prestigious Patriot League might tip the scales if that was what was required to join.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 22, 2019 21:02:51 GMT -5
Fairfield's balance sheet isn't too pretty. A capital outlay and annual losses that football will bring isn't happening.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 23, 2019 0:08:57 GMT -5
I have posted before that while Fairfield will likely not bring back football, membership in what they would perceive as the prestigious Patriot League might tip the scales if that was what was required to join. The most recent rumors regarding Fairfield and a conference change involved the CAA. That was a couple years ago, though. HIGHLY doubt they would add football just to get into the PL. Would NJIT do the same?
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Post by bigfan on Feb 23, 2019 8:14:54 GMT -5
Fordham is not leaving the A10 for the PL.
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Post by td128 on Feb 23, 2019 9:09:16 GMT -5
For those just entering the discussion, here is the prop I put forth last week. I think it was our friend mm67 who broached the topic of the do-re-mi. I personally think that is going to become an increasingly important focal point and provides compelling support for the American Revolution Conference. Think freedom, liberty, and independence. Who's with me? This gets me to thinking, who would be interested in the following league: UMaine UNH Vermont Boston University Northeastern Rhode Island UMass Holy Cross Fordham UConn Would love to entice Army into the league as well but might be tough to entice them to join for football. 7 teams for FCS Football. UMAss and UConn would have to drop down but how long can they tread water? 10 teams for hoops and other sports with a real commitment to being an outstanding league. Next candidates for admission, perhaps Albany and then Bryant. I would imagine that they would both want in. Effectively the old Yankee Conference. Call it the American Revolution Conference. Generate some old New England rivalries, less travel time and less expense, hopefully more student and local fan excitement with many weekend doubleheaders at selected arenas. Who's in?
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Post by joe on Feb 23, 2019 10:47:18 GMT -5
Yes. Below is my post from 9.23.18. Same spirit.
Dartmouth Game Thread bigfan said:Look at how the PL got beat today, the league stinks.
Not sure what the league expects. Give schollies but not the full compliment. Allow redshirting but not non-medical. Have academic restrictions as tough or to tougher than the Ivy League. I’ve said it many times - in for a penny, in for a pound. No half measures will work. I’d love to see HC be part of a CAA reshuffle (north division) or drum up a new league.
Maine UNH HC Villanova Fordham or Delaware Stony Brook Rhode Island Albany
A real North East take-the-bus smash mouth League. That’s the conference HC belongs in. Full schollie, redshirting, no AI, solid FCS football.
OOC schedule: BC or Army UMass or UConn Any PL school 2 CAA south schools
No more Ivies. Let’s move on.
Move on.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 27, 2019 12:54:49 GMT -5
A new football league isn't happening anytime soon....though it may happen down the road I believe, given the uncertainty of the future of college football (and the sport itself) in toto.
That said, looking at 2022 and beyond, who would you like HC to play OOC?
For 2022 and 2023 we have CCSU booked so far. I think we have a "gentlemen's agreement" to play both Harvard and Yale for the next 7-8 years I believe. (I know, Yale is like that hot girl that blows you off last minute...but let's say they stick this out).
That leaves 2 open games for 2022 and 2023 and probably 3 most years beyond that in the 2020s.
It's been said that Army may pop up in 2023...I think that would be a great addition. Really hope they pop up more often than a once in a decade game. Every 2-3 years would be great but we may not be able to get that given today's scheduling.
Should we venture out of the Northeast to play an FBS school? I'd say yes but not as a "punching bag opponent"....play Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, Duke et. al. I'd say one of these every 4-5 years or so. Mix in the usual old East Indy opponent (BC, Syracuse, Navy, Rutgers....now UConn and UMass) in the other years...1 FBS opponent nearly every year imo.
In general, I think the best model moving forward for our OOC scheduling should be (5 games most years, occasionally 6):
2 Ivies (mostly Harvard and Yale...Dartmouth and Brown once in awhile) 1 FBS (mostly historic old opponents: BC, Army, Syracuse) 1 CAA (mix it up...mostly local UNH, URI, Albany but a W&M, Richmond, Nova every few years) 1 "Cupcake" ( I know, we are basically the cupcake in today's world...but for these purposes: a NEC, Pioneer, MEAC school to lighten the load most years.
In years when you can schedule 12 games, like next year, I think we should schedule 2 FBS opponents but keep it somewhat reasonable i.e. BC and Army instead of say BC and Syracuse.
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Post by gks on Feb 27, 2019 13:03:45 GMT -5
My wish list....
One or two CAA - UNH, Maine, URI, Albany or Villanova New England team - No problem playing CCSU or Bryant National FCS - Home and home with a team outside of Northeast FBS - One or two a year is fine. Part of the price of doing business in college football these days. Unfortunately you got BC and Syracuse on a upswing. Would like UMass on a regular basis. It's a tough balance between the pay day and the competition. Ivies - Unfortunately time to get rid of them. Tired of their act.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 27, 2019 13:12:00 GMT -5
I don't think the economics work for 'National FCS" games....for every year or every other year anyway. I too would like to see HC play at Montana, Cal-Poly, maybe a Florida trip,Stetson etc....it's been done, Colgate and some of the Ivies have done this recently, but as I said, it's sort of countah intuitive to being at the FCS-level in the first place.
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Post by gks on Feb 27, 2019 13:47:34 GMT -5
I don't think the economics work for 'National FCS" games....for every year or every other year anyway. I too would like to see HC play at Montana, Cal-Poly, maybe a Florida trip,Stetson etc....it's been done, Colgate and some of the Ivies have done this recently, but as I said, it's sort of countah intuitive to being at the FCS-level in the first place. Honest question...What is the cost of a football team's trip say to Villanova where they would bus compared to say Montana or Florida where a flight would be involved? Just wondering if the cost is that prohibitive.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 27, 2019 14:43:44 GMT -5
I don't think the economics work for 'National FCS" games....for every year or every other year anyway. I too would like to see HC play at Montana, Cal-Poly, maybe a Florida trip,Stetson etc....it's been done, Colgate and some of the Ivies have done this recently, but as I said, it's sort of countah intuitive to being at the FCS-level in the first place. Honest question...What is the cost of a football team's trip say to Villanova where they would bus compared to say Montana or Florida where a flight would be involved? Just wondering if the cost is that prohibitive. I don't know if the plane trip would require an extra night in a hotel and extra meals as well, but the transportation costs would be a lot more to fly, of course Bus trip= 2 buses @ $1,250 each= $ 2,500 ballpark 80 plane tickets @ $300 each= $24,000 + maybe $500 for ground transportation
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Post by hc87 on Feb 27, 2019 15:46:04 GMT -5
I really don't know the answer with regards to hard dollah #'s....just know that it (scheduling FCS schools say ovah 1K miles away or so) isn't done that often, particularly in the Northeast.
FCS is a very odd level for a variety of reasons (though I believe it's our appropriate level)....one being its dearth of schools at that level in much of the Midwest, Far West and Florida. There's really no FCS school close to Chicago for instance...which is probably good for us recruiting-wise, not so much scheduling-wise. In Florida, it's basically Florida A&M, Stetson and maybe a couple others that aren't popping into my head at present.
Point being, there aren't too many attractive "FCS destination spots" across the country to schedule games. It's mostly college towns in sparsely populated states.
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Post by gks on Feb 27, 2019 16:05:11 GMT -5
May not be destination spots but would be a destination game. Why not play E. Washington, Montana, San Diego (been done before), any Dakota school, Western Illinois, Indiana State, etc.
Play the best.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 27, 2019 17:15:31 GMT -5
May not be destination spots but would be a destination game. Why not play E. Washington, Montana, San Diego (been done before), any Dakota school, Western Illinois, Indiana State, etc. Play the best. Most of the schools listed above are readily reachable only by charter, as there is no direct service from the Greater Boston area. Airlines are cutting back charters for sports teams, particularly at the college/university level. I believe when there are FCS playoff games at schools such as these, the NCAA reimburses the travel costs, the monies coming from the minimum $ bid offered by the host school.
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Post by gks on Feb 27, 2019 17:21:50 GMT -5
NCAA pays for travel for all tournament events. You can thank March Madness.
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Post by rickii on Feb 28, 2019 11:24:39 GMT -5
May not be destination spots but would be a destination game. Why not play E. Washington, Montana, San Diego (been done before), any Dakota school, Western Illinois, Indiana State, etc. Play the best. Most of the schools listed above are readily reachable only by charter, as there is no direct service from the Greater Boston area. Airlines are cutting back charters for sports teams, particularly at the college/university level. I believe when there are FCS playoff games at schools such as these, the NCAA reimburses the travel costs, the monies coming from the minimum $ bid offered by the host school. This is the company used by most if not all ACC teams....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Air_International
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2019 12:31:16 GMT -5
May not be destination spots but would be a destination game. Why not play E. Washington, Montana, San Diego (been done before), any Dakota school, Western Illinois, Indiana State, etc. Play the best. Scheduling of games of that distance would be less of a football decision and more of an admissions decision (I.e. where are there enough high schoolers and families that we’d like to be exposed to the HC brand). So, the Dakotas are probably out.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 28, 2019 16:16:28 GMT -5
No Dakotas? Not all athletes go to North Dakota State. There are families with athletes who do go to other schools and I have heard that both of those families are most welcoming.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 24, 2019 11:04:08 GMT -5
Are these discussions (OOC future opponents) on hold until we name a new AD? I'm guessing so.
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Post by gks on Apr 24, 2019 11:09:02 GMT -5
I would guess the football staffs set these games up and get final blessing from AD. With the disaster that is the HC AD search final announcement of future games is probably on hold.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 24, 2019 11:33:47 GMT -5
I would guess the football staffs set these games up and get final blessing from AD. With the disaster that is the HC AD search final announcement of future games is probably on hold. What at this point makes the search a disaster? Simply the fact that it has taken 4 months to get to the point where we’re bringing candidates to campus and probably 5 or so months to a hire? Had they hired someone other than Gordie Lockbaum in January, no doubt that would have been categorized as a disaster too. Like it or not, generally, it takes 4-6 months to hire an AD. Shoot everywhere I’ve worked, it takes at least 2 months to get a junior professional hired into any position. Taking the time to define what you want and need in a hire to run a $30+ million operation is time well spent.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2019 15:10:01 GMT -5
We like to attach a name and a face to our disasters.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 24, 2019 15:24:31 GMT -5
I would guess the football staffs set these games up and get final blessing from AD. With the disaster that is the HC AD search final announcement of future games is probably on hold. What at this point makes the search a disaster? Simply the fact that it has taken 4 months to get to the point where we’re bringing candidates to campus and probably 5 or so months to a hire? Had they hired someone other than Gordie Lockbaum in January, no doubt that would have been categorized as a disaster too. Like it or not, generally, it takes 4-6 months to hire an AD. Shoot everywhere I’ve worked, it takes at least 2 months to get a junior professional hired into any position. Taking the time to define what you want and need in a hire to run a $30+ million operation is time well spent. You're overlooking the fact that we have at least one expert on this board who, if assigned the task of signing the new AD, would in a matter of weeks find and sign the best possible candidate at the lowest possible cost with ironclad contract provisions regarding coach selections, team W-L records, attendance goals, etc.
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Post by Tom on Apr 29, 2019 10:21:34 GMT -5
You're overlooking the fact that we have at least one expert on this board who, if assigned the task of signing the new AD, would in a matter of weeks find and sign the best possible candidate at the lowest possible cost with ironclad contract provisions regarding coach selections, team W-L records, attendance goals, etc. I stand by my statement from four months ago that Non-Alum would make an outstanding AD
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 29, 2019 11:20:44 GMT -5
Could we get a solid discount on a qualified AD if we allowed him or her to remain anonymous?
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