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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2019 8:13:25 GMT -5
He may well see some playing time against the Mids, but I doubt the coaches would put him into the pressure of being a starter. If he is the starter, then either we have no one on the team who can play QB, OR (and I would hope this is the base) he has so much talent he could not be held back.
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Post by crusader1970 on Apr 14, 2019 8:54:26 GMT -5
I hope Butash turns into a player here but there is ZERO CHANCE IMO that he emerges from camp as the starter against Navy. It may well turn out that way, but from my understanding it is his job to lose.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 14, 2019 9:38:11 GMT -5
Butash comitted last summer, has likely been studying the HC offense since the , was there yesterday and will be on campus all summer working out and watching film. It certainly speeds up the acclimation process.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2019 17:14:28 GMT -5
How often have PL QB's started GAME ONE as a true frosh? My hunch is the sample size is extremely limited.
Holy Cross isn't exactly Clemson where a guy can graduate HS early, enroll in January and fully participate in spring practice.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 14, 2019 18:03:09 GMT -5
How often have PL QB's started GAME ONE as a true frosh? My hunch is the sample size is extremely limited. Holy Cross isn't exactly Clemson where a guy can graduate HS early, enroll in January and fully participate in spring practice. It may be unprecedented. It may be scary to think about. It may be ugly at times if it happens. But, it may be where we are heading into the 2019 season.
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Apr 14, 2019 18:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Apr 14, 2019 18:10:07 GMT -5
So heading into Navy we’ll be starting a quarterback who was previously benched for ineffectiveness. Got it.
Wade is definitely getting a diploma next month?
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Apr 14, 2019 18:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2019 18:13:36 GMT -5
So heading into Navy we’ll be starting a quarterback who was previously benched for ineffectiveness. Got it. Wade is definitely getting a diploma next month? Those seemingly in the know (not me) have suggested that Wade is graduating and not pursuing a 5th year.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 14, 2019 18:20:06 GMT -5
Wade is gone. The choices seems to be Clifford, who was the best option at the conclusion of spring practice, or a true freshman who did not participate in spring practice, or a transfer who is not yet enrolled at HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2019 21:03:18 GMT -5
I trust Coach to sort it out. LoveHC I also trust the coach...certainly more trust in his decisions than those of anyone currently posting on CROSSPORTS.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 14, 2019 21:36:37 GMT -5
My kingdom for an FBS QB transfer....
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2019 4:59:29 GMT -5
So heading into Navy we’ll be starting a quarterback who was previously benched for ineffectiveness. Got it. Don't think it'll matter v Navy (or Syracuse). At this point average (by PL standards) quarterback play is what I am hoping for. I think Clifford (or whomever beats him out) can manage that this year. That might be enough, given our pretty good (by PL standards) roster, to grab 6 wins and go .500. With an average (by PL standards) QB, I can see us beating Brown, Lehigh , Lafayette, Bucknell, Georgetown and one (upset?) from among the stronger group of Colgate/Harvard/Yale/UNH (Of course, if we wind up with below-average QB play [by PL standards] it'll be a losing - -and maybe a very long - season.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 15, 2019 7:25:49 GMT -5
I understand that there is a difference between the FBS and FCS divisions. Still, I'm not ready to concede the game to Navy just yet, regardless of who our QB is. Navy was 3-10 last season and lost to both Tulane and SMU. We had one common opponent: Lehigh. Navy blasted Lehigh 51-21. How did HC do versus Lehigh? HC won 56-0. I understand that the transitive property does not always apply in evaluating college teams, but let's not give up just yet.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2019 8:16:54 GMT -5
/\ /\ Last year we lost to Bucknell 19-16 Lehigh killed Bucknell 45-17
We destroyed Lehigh 56-0.
Broad (single) common opponent- based evaluations/predictions ignore the millions of factors that go into W-L’s.
Beyond that I don’t think anyone has conceded the games to Navy or Syracuse. Doubtlessly, we will be substantial underdogs in these two FBS games next year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 15, 2019 8:41:02 GMT -5
Butash comitted last summer, has likely been studying the HC offense since the , was there yesterday and will be on campus all summer working out and watching film. It certainly speeds up the acclimation process. Degenhart committed in May of his Junior year and was a higher rated recruit. He is now entering his Junior year and has been unable to jump two QBs who have not exactly been setting the world on fire (Wade & Clifford). "Studying" the HC offense while you are playing a low level of high school football in Florida means just about nothing until you can account for how much faster the speed of the game (and players) will be. ----- I get the sense that the staff thought they could land a 1-A transfer who could step right into the job this fall. With very little chance of that happening now, we are left with a less-than-ideal quarterback situation and a less-than-ideal Offensive Coordinator -- not a good combination.
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Apr 15, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Apr 15, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
Not sure how it will happen, but I do not expect the depth chart for QB will be anything like it’s current iteration by week 3. After reading reviews of the Spring game and Chesney’s surprisingly and frank postgame comments, my gut predicts a QB change at some point, maybe similar to Pujals as a freshman against Central Connecticut. To be competitive at the FCS level we need a very good QB. If, on the other hand, Clifford has somehow improved significantly since being pulled last year without taking any additional snaps in a collegiate game, I would be surprised — and also very happy for him and for the team. I just don’t think this is a statistical likelihood.
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Apr 15, 2019 8:55:25 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 15, 2019 8:55:25 GMT -5
Chesney was gung-ho on implementing the read-option offense last year, and he clearly thought Clifford was the best QB on the roster to run that style offense.
After the first few games when it very clearly wasn't working and Clifford was in over his head, he went to Wade, who was much more successful when the playbook was opened up with more passing plays.
If we are going to continue to pass the ball, I'm not sure Clifford is the guy to run the offense.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 15, 2019 13:58:51 GMT -5
What’s the typical timeline for getting an FBS transfer committed? You figure now with spring football wrapping up across the board, guys are getting a feel for their 2019 playing time and location on the depth chart.
It has been FOREVER since HC brought in an FBS transfer at ANY position. Had to have been before the beginning of the Gilmore era. In fact, I don’t recall any transfers coming INTO the program at all from any level of college football. We’ve had plenty of guys transfer out, mostly to DIII and one guy who was a year behind me transferred to Albany.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Apr 15, 2019 14:48:45 GMT -5
Gil the Thrill was from LSU I thought.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 15, 2019 15:15:09 GMT -5
What’s the typical timeline for getting an FBS transfer committed? You figure now with spring football wrapping up across the board, guys are getting a feel for their 2019 playing time and location on the depth chart. It has been FOREVER since HC brought in an FBS transfer at ANY position. Had to have been before the beginning of the Gilmore era. In fact, I don’t recall any transfers coming INTO the program at all from any level of college football. We’ve had plenty of guys transfer out, mostly to DIII and one guy who was a year behind me transferred to Albany. Current Senior WR Jon Jon Roberts transferred from the Naval Academy
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Post by hc87 on Apr 15, 2019 15:24:57 GMT -5
Off topic but this past year was probably the season to sneak up on Navy...I'm guessing they won't have as bad a year in 2019...probably good we play Week 1, triple option not running on all cylinders yet etc
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2019 15:40:23 GMT -5
We certainly snuck up on UConn two years ago. All the stars were aligned with UConn having one of the weaker FBS programs and starting a freshman quarterback. We just couldn't finish them off, which seemed to be a pattern in the TG era. Let's hope it was not just an unusually long streak of bad luck for TG and his luck doesn't revert to the mean with Lehigh nipping HC in close games for the rest of his career.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 15, 2019 17:12:22 GMT -5
We certainly snuck up on UConn two years ago. All the stars were aligned with UConn having one of the weaker FBS programs and starting a freshman quarterback. We just couldn't finish them off, which seemed to be a pattern in the TG era. Let's hope it was not just an unusually long streak of bad luck for TG and his luck doesn't revert to the mean with Lehigh nipping HC in close games for the rest of his career. Unless he hires a Clock Management Coordinator, we should be okay.
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Apr 15, 2019 18:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 15, 2019 18:10:58 GMT -5
Off topic but this past year was probably the season to sneak up on Navy...I'm guessing they won't have as bad a year in 2019...probably good we play Week 1, triple option not running on all cylinders yet etc Keep in mind there is a big difference between Navy going 3-10 playing an AAC schedule and going 3-9 / 4-8 as an FBS independent. A hypothetical Colgate-Navy game in Annapolis last year would have probably been a PK EM game.
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Post by flyer2sader on Apr 16, 2019 13:01:41 GMT -5
Reports of E.J Perry, 2nd String QB Boston College, touring the facilities as potential transfer. Reported he’s also considering Rice, Nova, Brown
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Post by gks on Apr 16, 2019 13:08:08 GMT -5
Reports of E.J Perry, 2nd String QB Boston College, touring the facilities as potential transfer. Reported he’s also considering Rice, Nova, Brown This would be a good get! Immediate starter.
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