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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 1, 2019 18:10:55 GMT -5
Mitch Hahn?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2019 18:30:41 GMT -5
Hahn poured in 35 last night, but Omaha lost to Oral Roberts anyway.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 1, 2019 18:50:30 GMT -5
The Calipari model only worked at UMass when he was there. UMass has rarely been back to the NCAA since then and no other coach in their history has ever won an NCAA Tournament game. UMass basketball is now assured of its fourth straight losing season and is drawing 2,808 this year in the 9,493 seat Mullins Center. A new $30M basketball only practice center opened in 2016 still hasn't as yet brought success.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 1, 2019 18:51:13 GMT -5
If they are, it’s weird they’re not shown on the website, while hockey is. Yeah, that is weird Some ways comparing apples to oranges regarding Basketball locker room to hockey or Lacrosse. The new basketball locker rooms are in the common corridor running north to south on the east side of the Hart arena. The roster size for the basketball team is 14 to 15. In each locker room is a lounge area as well as video monitors. The locker rooms for Ice Hockey accommodate a roster of over 28 players, twice the size of basketball team. The Womens Locker room for Ice Hockey is new with the recent renovation, to my understanding. The locker rooms for M/W Lacrosse, located under the strength and conditioning performance center, accommodate a roster of over 40 athletes, so naturally these two are showcased in the Luth facilities video. I was standing in the lobby of the Luth, watching the Christmas video just outside the entrance to the visitors locker room, prior to the Canisius game this past December. As the Canisius team was lining up to enter the basketball court, they were watching the video as well. I overheard several of them say, “This is a really nice facility”. Getting lost in the shuffle of comparing one LAC (Luth/Hart -Holy Cross) to the other LAC (Langone/Sojka- Bucknell) is again apples to oranges. Kenneth Langone is worth 3.3 Billion dollars. His donation, in an area where construction cost is less than Worcester, I am sure allowed for the additional amenities. Sojka was a new build, with an open footprint to develop. The Hart footprint limited what could have been done in the time allowed of 7 months.. Has anyone been to Langone/NYC Medical Center. He donated over 200 million.
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Post by gks on Mar 1, 2019 18:53:36 GMT -5
How do the "second chance" BE schools like Creighton feel about their new conference? Any lessons for a "first chance" school? What does Omaha have that Worcester doesn't ... other than the Oracle? Creighton has been consistently a top 25-30 basketball school with multiple NCAA tournament wins. New Big East needed them more than Creighton needed the Big East.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 1, 2019 19:00:15 GMT -5
How do the "second chance" BE schools like Creighton feel about their new conference? Any lessons for a "first chance" school? What does Omaha have that Worcester doesn't ... other than the Oracle? For starters more than 2.5x the population of Worc, and closest big 4 sports team is almost 200 miles away.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2019 19:05:55 GMT -5
The Calipari model only worked at UMass when he was there. UMass has rarely been back to the NCAA since then and no other coach in their history has ever won an NCAA Tournament game. UMass basketball is now assured of its fourth straight losing season and is drawing 2,808 this year in the 9,493 seat Mullins Center. A new $30M basketball only practice center opened in 2016 still hasn't as yet brought success. The coach got so pissed after one of their losses he made them practice at Curry Hicks instead of the new place. Hockey's become the big winter sport there.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2019 21:15:20 GMT -5
UMass football is in the cellar and MBB is mediocre but Hockey is nationally ranked. One out of three is better than nothing. Let's hope football is our (at least) one out of three next year.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2019 21:18:24 GMT -5
How do the "second chance" BE schools like Creighton feel about their new conference? Any lessons for a "first chance" school? What does Omaha have that Worcester doesn't ... other than the Oracle? For starters more than 2.5x the population of Worc, and closest big 4 sports team is almost 200 miles away.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2019 21:21:27 GMT -5
So you're saying the Kansas City-Omaha Kings have left town?😊
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 1, 2019 23:17:01 GMT -5
So you're saying the Kansas City-Omaha Kings have left town?😊 A franchise that has resided in four different cities. Would have been five if they had moved to Seattle after the Sonics moved to OKC.
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 2, 2019 8:01:22 GMT -5
and Derek Bok smiles
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Post by Tom on Mar 2, 2019 9:11:14 GMT -5
Some ways comparing apples to oranges regarding Basketball locker room to hockey or Lacrosse. The new basketball locker rooms are in the common corridor running north to south on the east side of the Hart arena. The roster size for the basketball team is 14 to 15. In each locker room is a lounge area as well as video monitors. The locker rooms for Ice Hockey accommodate a roster of over 28 players, twice the size of basketball team. The Womens Locker room for Ice Hockey is new with the recent renovation, to my understanding. The locker rooms for M/W Lacrosse, located under the strength and conditioning performance center, accommodate a roster of over 40 athletes, so naturally these two are showcased in the Luth facilities video. I was standing in the lobby of the Luth, watching the Christmas video just outside the entrance to the visitors locker room, prior to the Canisius game this past December. As the Canisius team was lining up to enter the basketball court, they were watching the video as well. I overheard several of them say, “This is a really nice facility”. I went on one of the Luth tours when it first opened. The tour included the women's ice hockey locker room (there were no players present). Some of us snuck into the men's basketball locker room. The locker area was virtually identical. The space was the about the same. The big difference was that basketball with its smaller roster needed fewer lockers and space there. Hoop locker had extra wall separating out the excess area and using that space as a lounge as you walk in. It is my understanding that the two basketball teams are the only ones with these lounges because of the smaller rosters.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 2, 2019 9:31:26 GMT -5
Nice that you put that qualifier but it really wasn't necessary, we know you can be trusted. And, besides, I think I was on that same tour with you.
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Post by Tom on Mar 2, 2019 9:43:07 GMT -5
Nice that you put that qualifier but it really wasn't necessary, we know you can be trusted.. Actually, I think most posters that actually know me would disagree, but it's nice to hear anyway
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 3, 2019 9:44:20 GMT -5
Ehhh, I’d actually say the PL is a football league more so than hoops right now and certainly historically. The basketball league certainly is deeper than it was 12-15 years ago when Army, Navy, Lafayette and Colgate were amongst the absolute worst programs in th country in DI. However, we still have Wednesdays where the whole league draws a combined 2,500 for four games. Holy Cross - proud traditions in both football and basketball. Definitely more of a basketball school during the 2000s despite maintaining a loyal football following. 2010s - we draw FLIES at the Hart. Colgate - Basketball Program has been competitive recently but this has not grown attendance or interest. When was the last time 1,000+ were in Kotterelll — when they hosted the 08 semi against Bucknell? Definitely a football school and our flagship one at that. Lehigh - CJ McCollum and the Duke win put basketball on the map here. But Bethlehem has always been a football town. I’ll take a day at Goodman over a game in Stabler any day (though I enjoyed the ‘16 PLC). Lafayette - Relatively loyal following for both but the rivalry football game with Lehigh is the elephant in the room. O’Hanlon overall has done a good job here with basketball. They need to right the ship in football. Fordham - football history trumps hoops, hands down. And if they weren’t in the A10, NO ONE would go to basketball games here, minus Battle of the Bronx or the occasional home game they get against ST JOHNS. Bucknell - No doubt a basketball school. FLAGSHIP. Loyola - only FULL Division I member in the COUNTRY where LAX is the top spectator sport. BU - Its Hockey and then everything else Navy/Army - their entire athletic departments and a lot of their public outreach for the academies revolve around their FBS football membership. Navy couldn’t even fill Alumni Hall for a game against Maryland this year — basketball a wasteland for whatever reason at West Point and Annapolis despite having strong niche followings in other sports (Navy lax, Army hockey). American - no one cares about sports here in general. Like AT ALL. Georgetown - Obviosuly their affiliate membership has added absolutely NOTHING to the leagues football culture. With all due respect, I think you have a dated and bizarre understanding of what the more established PL athletic athletic programs are all about. Your list appears to be a a perspective of an alum looking out at the PL world from the limited, undeveloped and primitive state of HC athletics. There's a lot of meaningful success at the national level at most of the PL institurions you've cited, in a full range of m's and w's sports. They are also an integral part of the institutions' athletic brands. There are diverse audiences that interpret these athletic identities in varied ways.The audience is not limited to the "pop culture" appetites of alumni. Do some research. Fair points my friend. Believe it or not I am pretty well versed in the PL athletic landscape and am happy for the many athletic accomplishments the league produces across the board in all M and W sports. The list I made here was a primitive analysis as to whether I would consider each school to be either a "football school" or "basketball school" based on a combination of recent success and fan support. No disrespect intended towards the "minor sports" teams that continue to carry on proud traditions around the league.
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Post by Tom on Mar 4, 2019 9:01:53 GMT -5
We frequently hear the PL is the problem and typical high school games outdraw HC. I went to the central MA district semi's yesterday for the first time in about 5 years. I was stunned by the lack of fans. Traditionally this event was packed with lots of people standing. The upper tier at WPI was less than 1/3 full. It's not just HC and the Patriot League. Local high school play-offs aren't drawing the way they used to either.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 4, 2019 11:17:11 GMT -5
Tom, the anti-PL contingent here will say that the low turnout was due to the weather/impending weather.
I am a believer, as others have already posted, that winning goes a long way to "curing" low turnouts. The glory days, whenever they were, aren't ever coming back totally simply because social media and other distractions available to students and others have cut into attendance but winning will bring back some of them. Just look at Nichols College. A school that is half the size of Holy Cross but nationally ranked and proportionately a much greater and more enthusiastic crowd.
But, as discussed in another thread, if Holy Cross is content with "participation" rather than winning, fewer and fewer people will want to attend what would amount to a glorified intramural game.
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Post by gks on Mar 4, 2019 11:19:58 GMT -5
We frequently hear the PL is the problem and typical high school games outdraw HC. I went to the central MA district semi's yesterday for the first time in about 5 years. I was stunned by the lack of fans. Traditionally this event was packed with lots of people standing. The upper tier at WPI was less than 1/3 full. It's not just HC and the Patriot League. Local high school play-offs aren't drawing the way they used to either. Did you go to the Doherty/Acton-Boxborough game? I was at Wachusett/Algonquin and they had to delay the start so the fans could get in. Depends on the matchup.
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Post by Tom on Mar 4, 2019 11:33:19 GMT -5
We frequently hear the PL is the problem and typical high school games outdraw HC. I went to the central MA district semi's yesterday for the first time in about 5 years. I was stunned by the lack of fans. Traditionally this event was packed with lots of people standing. The upper tier at WPI was less than 1/3 full. It's not just HC and the Patriot League. Local high school play-offs aren't drawing the way they used to either. Did you go to the Doherty/Acton-Boxborough game? I was at Wachusett/Algonquin and they had to delay the start so the fans could get in. Depends on the matchup. Yes - I was at the first game. For some foolish reason, they moved the girls game in the middle and I didn't want to do the 1:00 /5:00 doubleheader (with extra admission if I wanted to leave and come back) Glad the 2nd semi had a good crowd. Was it SRO?
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Post by gks on Mar 4, 2019 11:38:14 GMT -5
Did you go to the Doherty/Acton-Boxborough game? I was at Wachusett/Algonquin and they had to delay the start so the fans could get in. Depends on the matchup. Yes - I was at the first game. For some foolish reason, they moved the girls game in the middle and I didn't want to do the 1:00 /5:00 doubleheader (with extra admission if I wanted to leave and come back) Glad the 2nd semi had a good crowd. Was it SRO? They moved the Wachusett boys game to 5 so their boys and girls could play back to back. Kind of see it but the boys games should be back to back. By the eye test looked like all the seats were filled with some standees up on the walkways.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2019 11:42:08 GMT -5
Tom, the anti-PL contingent here will say that the low turnout was due to the weather/impending weather. I am a believer, as others have already posted, that winning goes a long way to "curing" low turnouts. The glory days, whenever they were, aren't ever coming back totally simply because social media and other distractions available to students and others have cut into attendance but winning will bring back some of them. Just look at Nichols College. A school that is half the size of Holy Cross but nationally ranked and proportionately a much greater and more enthusiastic crowd. But, as discussed in another thread, if Holy Cross is content with "participation" rather than winning, fewer and fewer people will want to attend what would amount to a glorified intramural game.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2019 11:45:36 GMT -5
You leave us with one last brilliant insight to last through a chocolate-less Lent: Intramurals are for participation, intercollegiate varsity sports are for winning.
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 4, 2019 11:50:06 GMT -5
there has always been one and only one way out since Fr Brooks destroyed our athletic program.
1. We are in the PL; shut up win it most years. How? better athletes. (John Woodin story; "Coach how did you win all those games?" Woodin: "I had better players")
2. How do you get better athletes? GONZAGA model. Ask the players their best memories of their careers? You will hear "at Carolina, at Michigan, at NC State, etc.
It is the ONLY way.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 4, 2019 11:50:14 GMT -5
Deo gratias
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