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Post by Tom on Mar 14, 2019 11:21:39 GMT -5
Haven't we taken kids who had an extra Prep Year? Wasn't that the case for Justin Burrell? And I know we have taken Transfers. I wonder if the issue could be as much due to transfer admissions requirements when it comes to Prep School kids and Transfers and not so much the coach. At HC does a transfer have to meet stricter guidelines to get into the school? And do athletes get special consideration or do they have to meet the same restrictions any other transfer student would have? Maybe Langel is getting special consideration from Colgate's admission office - something HC's Admissions is not willing to give to our coaches. I think both Copeland and Grandison were PG students at Exeter. Followed in the footsteps of Rob Champion who also went to NH for a PG year The PG thing is becoming more and more common. Not just for academics but also hopes of getting a better scholarship
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Post by gate88 on Mar 14, 2019 11:27:54 GMT -5
For the record, on colgate's eight rotation players: Rayman, Burns and Richardson did PG years Rap spent his senior year at prep, but did not do a PG year, and was an excellent student in good standing at Nothwestern Batt, Regisford and Ferguson all went to regular high school (and had one other D1 offer among the three of them) Amiel is from Portugal -- I have no idea how their system works (The Australian guy never plays, yet)
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Post by classof83 on Mar 14, 2019 11:27:56 GMT -5
Ryan Serravalle, Jave Meade, Eric Green, Robert Champion (I think).......I say the more the merrier. Patriot League Redshirting! When FCMB recruited Jehyve, believe the original idea was to have him prep - but failure to land a "ready" big changed that plan Since JF was never actually coached by MB. Was that a decision of BC not to have JF Prep a year? He could have used that Prep year - and so could HC Our prospects for next year would be much higher if he was coming back for another year..
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Post by gks on Mar 14, 2019 11:31:35 GMT -5
Haven't we taken kids who had an extra Prep Year? Wasn't that the case for Justin Burrell? And I know we have taken Transfers. I wonder if the issue could be as much due to transfer admissions requirements when it comes to Prep School kids and Transfers and not so much the coach. At HC does a transfer have to meet stricter guidelines to get into the school? And do athletes get special consideration or do they have to meet the same restrictions any other transfer student would have? Maybe Langel is getting special consideration from Colgate's admission office - something HC's Admissions is not willing to give to our coaches.This has definitely been a problem in the past. Not sure if it's any better now.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 11:38:07 GMT -5
I was impressed with Colgate all year. They were the best in the PL. They play hard and shoot well, and will be a tough out in the tourney! Which 1 or 2 seed will they be a tough out for ?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 11:39:40 GMT -5
When FCMB recruited Jehyve, believe the original idea was to have him prep - but failure to land a "ready" big changed that plan Since JF was never actually coached by MB. Was that a decision of BC not to have JF Prep a year? No
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Post by hc87 on Mar 14, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -5
Congrats to the Red Raidaahhs...but I also think they are one of the weakest #1 PLT seeds/regulah season champs in awhile. They really weren't that much bettah than us this year imo.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 14, 2019 11:54:03 GMT -5
Back to the topic.
Bucknell gave up 94 points last night. I can only imagine the furor on this board if HC gave up 94 points in the Championship game.
I think ND is a good coach, but with McKenzie and Sestina graduating, Bucknell will no longer have any of Dave Paulsen's recruits.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 14, 2019 12:22:10 GMT -5
Congrats to the Red Raidaahhs...but I also think they are one of the weakest #1 PLT seeds/regulah season champs in awhile. They really weren't that much bettah than us this year imo. Colgate is ranked #125 per Ken Pom. Here's where the last five PL Regular Season Champions ranked following the PLT -- Bucknell - #102 Bucknell - #78 Bucknell - #173 Bucknell - #205 BU - #123 Colgate was definitely much better than we were this season. Unlike Carmody's team, they got a lot better as the year went on, while we regressed.
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Post by crosspride on Mar 14, 2019 12:43:45 GMT -5
Back to the topic. Bucknell gave up 94 points last night. I can only imagine the furor on this board if HC gave up 94 points in the Championship game. I think ND is a good coach, but with McKenzie and Sestina graduating, Bucknell will no longer have any of Dave Paulsen's recruits. If HC had 20 wins, t1 in the league, beat both teams handily on the way to the PLC title game, and was coming off multiple NCAA tournament appearances, I can’t imagine it would be that bad. Do agree with your last point on Bucknell w/o Paulson’s guys next year, though. While still stronger than most in the league, it does seem to be a bit of a drop off from Paulsons recruits. Time will tell, and there may very well be guys on the bench who will become all PL (like Sestina this year).
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Post by realism on Mar 14, 2019 12:54:43 GMT -5
She succeeded Vicki Chun ( Colgate ‘91, MA ‘94 ) who was hired in 2018 to be the AD at Yale. Her Chief of Staff went with her. www.yalebulldogs.com/information/directory/bios/chun_vicky?view=bioAfter a successful career at 'Gate, there wasn't much more for her to achieve. She had been named Colgate University’s Director of Athletics and Associate Professor, effective January 2013 Vicki is the only person in the PL to be both the Player of the Year and Coach of the Year. Her sport is volleyball. As an alum on the job, she garnered unprecedented support from the widest swath of the Colgate community. For those hoping to catch Colgate cutting corners to justify HC's relative performance, ponder the following: "...At Colgate, Chun partnered with faculty, student-athletes, and staff to foster a culture recognized for high performance, positive energy, collaboration, and integrity. Under Chun's guidance, the average grade point average of student-athletes surpassed the average GPA of the entire student body, with the student-athlete GPA increasing year-over-year for her entire tenure as director of athletics. During Chun's last year at Colgate, in 2017-2018, her student-athletes recorded an impressive 98% NCAA Division I Graduation Success Rate, the second highest student-athlete GPA in the country..." "
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 12:56:35 GMT -5
What were the basketball and football teams’ GPA ?
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Post by gks on Mar 14, 2019 14:10:35 GMT -5
What were the basketball and football teams’ GPA ? Are you suggesting that players on these two teams are dumb?
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Post by cmo on Mar 14, 2019 14:12:29 GMT -5
What were the basketball and football teams’ GPA ? not sure, they didn’t have them patched on their jerseys
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 14, 2019 14:16:17 GMT -5
I suspect you'll be hearing from some about the transfers/prep route Colgate went to build its team the last few years. Clearly, this is how Langel determined was the best way to bring in talent and build a program. Do you think there's something wrong with it? Not at all. But I have read over the years on various PL boards the rather cavalier attitude some have had about transfers/prep players. I know when AU brought in transfers like Vlad Moldoveanu, Troy Brewer and Charles Hinkle, we got a lot of criticism for it, the inference being that these kids were mercenaries rather than student-athletes like Ivanauskas who simply saw a better opportunity elsewhere. I don't care whether a kid comes in as a freshman or transfer or whatever, if they can play and they can do the work in the classroom.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 14, 2019 14:50:28 GMT -5
Clearly, this is how Langel determined was the best way to bring in talent and build a program. Do you think there's something wrong with it? Not at all. But I have read over the years on various PL boards the rather cavalier attitude some have had about transfers/prep players. I know when AU brought in transfers like Vlad Moldoveanu, Troy Brewer and Charles Hinkle, we got a lot of criticism for it, the inference being that these kids were mercenaries rather than student-athletes like Ivanauskas who simply saw a better opportunity elsewhere. I don't care whether a kid comes in as a freshman or transfer or whatever, if they can play and they can do the work in the classroom. Do you know where Vlad The Impaler is now--is he playing in Europe? Heck of a shooter
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 14, 2019 17:33:39 GMT -5
Ryan Serravalle, Jave Meade, Eric Green, Robert Champion (I think).......I say the more the merrier. Patriot League Redshirting! When FCMB recruited Jehyve, believe the original idea was to have him prep - but failure to land a "ready" big changed that plan Montae Glenn (Georgia Southern) was one of the kids they struck out on. Can't remember other names.
Devin Brown was another post grad kid.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 14, 2019 20:12:42 GMT -5
Congrats to the Red Raidaahhs...but I also think they are one of the weakest #1 PLT seeds/regulah season champs in awhile. They really weren't that much bettah than us this year imo. Colgate is ranked #125 per Ken Pom. Here's where the last five PL Regular Season Champions ranked following the PLT -- Bucknell - #102 Bucknell - #78 Bucknell - #173 Bucknell - #205 BU - #123 Colgate was definitely much better than we were this season. Unlike Carmody's team, they got a lot better as the year went on, while we regressed. Mehh...they really didn't beat anyone of any note and lost more than a few to some shaky teams this year imo They had a nice season....but it was a down year for the PL imo...they really weren't that much bettah than us...we nearly beat them at the Hart.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2019 20:28:20 GMT -5
One and done for 'Gate is my prediction.
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 14, 2019 23:46:05 GMT -5
Not at all. But I have read over the years on various PL boards the rather cavalier attitude some have had about transfers/prep players. I know when AU brought in transfers like Vlad Moldoveanu, Troy Brewer and Charles Hinkle, we got a lot of criticism for it, the inference being that these kids were mercenaries rather than student-athletes like Ivanauskas who simply saw a better opportunity elsewhere. I don't care whether a kid comes in as a freshman or transfer or whatever, if they can play and they can do the work in the classroom. Do you know where Vlad The Impaler is now--is he playing in Europe? Heck of a shooter Vlad played in Romania last season, for Club Cluj-Napoca, after being in Turkey most of the previous two years. Ironically, in 2017, he played in the same league as C.J. McCollum's brother, Errick.
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Post by sader81 on Mar 15, 2019 6:40:40 GMT -5
I was impressed with Colgate all year. They were the best in the PL. They play hard and shoot well, and will be a tough out in the tourney! Which 1 or 2 seed will they be a tough out for ? I’ll let you know Sunday evening!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 15, 2019 7:21:19 GMT -5
...they really weren't that much bettah than us...we nearly beat them at the Hart. Tenth (10th).
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Post by hc87 on Mar 15, 2019 9:07:57 GMT -5
...they really weren't that much bettah than us...we nearly beat them at the Hart. Tenth (10th). There was a dime's worth of a difference between all the PL teams this year, 1st through last. Colgate got hot at the right time but they aren't that much bettah than the other PL teams this year.
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Post by gate88 on Mar 15, 2019 10:53:14 GMT -5
Colgate has three guys that true midmajor programs would love to have (Ivanauskas, Rayman, Burns) Bucknell has two (Sestina and Mackenzie) Lehigh has two close calls (Cohen and Tejada) HC has one (Floyd) Other teams have one or none
My conclusion: Colgate clearly the best team this year (and next)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 15, 2019 13:58:47 GMT -5
There was a dime's worth of a difference between all the PL teams this year, 1st through last.
Colgate got hot at the right time but they aren't that much bettah than the other PL teams this year. That's just ridiculous and you should know that. KenPom, for example, has Colgate as about 10 points per game better than Lafayette, the bottom team in the league. The difference between the top and bottom of the PL is about the same as the difference between Colgate and #25 Maryland or #24 Nevada. Sagarin's system would have Colgate versus Lafayette about the same as Colgate versus #27 Maryland or #28 Florida.
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