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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 17, 2019 11:35:44 GMT -5
Mariners are the last team standing to never even make he World Series. In fact, as of this week, every other team has won a pennant since the Mariners were formed and 2/3 of the teams have won multiple pennants And, ironically, the 2001 edition of the Mariners holds the record for most wins in a season (116).
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2019 12:01:21 GMT -5
Mariners are the last team standing to never even make he World Series. In fact, as of this week, every other team has won a pennant since the Mariners were formed and 2/3 of the teams have won multiple pennants And, ironically, the 2001 edition of the Mariners holds the record for most wins in a season (116). As the Washington baseball fans used to say. . . Damn Yankees
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2019 12:30:44 GMT -5
And, ironically, the 2001 edition of the Mariners holds the record for most wins in a season (116). As the Washington baseball fans used to say. . . Damn Yankees As well as the Brooklyn Dodgers fans
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2019 13:00:19 GMT -5
As the Washington baseball fans used to say. . . Damn Yankees As well as the Brooklyn Dodgers fans I might have gone a little too obscure. Back in the 50's there was a broadway musical called Damn Yankees about a Washington Senators fan who sold his soul to the devil to have his team become a winner
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2019 13:05:11 GMT -5
No soul selling in Brooklyn
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2019 14:39:05 GMT -5
No soul selling in Brooklyn Even though he was a New Englander, my dad grew up a Brooklyn fan. Started to lose interest after the move. Too hard to follow a west coast team back in those days. Fortunately, an Impossible Dream changed his allegiance back to the East Coast
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2019 15:00:56 GMT -5
You mean the ‘69 Mets Impossible Dream
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2019 15:00:57 GMT -5
Same with my grandmother and the NY Giants. She stayed up late. to listen to hear their west coast games on the radio for a year or two but it grew increasingly difficult.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2019 18:28:43 GMT -5
Les Keiter recreated SF Giants games which were radio broadcast back to NY. I believe that this was done for only 2-3 years(?) beginning in 1958. I listened on the radio to many of those recreations, "crack of the bat" and all. I don't know if these were the broadcasts that Rob's grand mother loyally listened too. She was a lady after my own heart. Obviously, I was an avid NYGiants fan as a kid, Willie Mays and all that. They broke my heart when they departed from NY for SF. I understood the logic of their move but... I view their departure as the end of my childhood. LoveHC That was what she followed. The thrill of her life cane when my uncle took her to see the playoff game between the Giants and Dodgers. When Bobby Thomson hit the "shot heard roil d the world" off of Ralph Branca, My uncle said she jumped into the air (arthritis and all). He was afraid she would have a heart attack. Now that was a fan.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 19, 2019 8:55:58 GMT -5
Mariners are the last team standing to never even make he World Series. In fact, as of this week, every other team has won a pennant since the Mariners were formed and 2/3 of the teams have won multiple pennants Still not as long a draught as the NY JETS not making a Super Bowl since '69. But at least we've been (and won), I guess.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 30, 2019 23:07:16 GMT -5
What are the odds of the visiting team winning each of the seven games of a World Series? I figure about 1 in 600--first time it's happened and I doubt we'll see it again. Congratulations to the Nationals
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2019 6:28:41 GMT -5
What are the odds of the visiting team winning each of the seven games of a World Series? I figure about 1 in 600--first time it's happened In any major sport !
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 31, 2019 7:13:30 GMT -5
Not sure what the odds are, but I heard Bob Costas on PTI last night say that, between MLB, NBA, & NHL there have been over 1400 seven games series. Obviuosly not all have gone to 7 games, but in all those series the road team has never won the first 6 games, much less all 7.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2019 7:35:00 GMT -5
If Phreek confirms that, then I will believe Costas.
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2019 13:22:12 GMT -5
More amazing that it happened in baseball, where the home field advantage should be greater than the NBA or NHL
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 1, 2019 13:42:09 GMT -5
More amazing that it happened in baseball, where the home field advantage should be greater than the NBA or NHL I don't believe that's accurate. One site I just found on internet had data for 2014-15 .600= NHL home teams winning percentage .579= NBA .568= NFL (I remember it being much higher than that--either it has change or I misremembered) .541= MLB
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Post by hchoops on Nov 1, 2019 13:56:57 GMT -5
Wonder if that one season is representative of a longer period of time ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 1, 2019 14:04:33 GMT -5
Wonder if that one season is representative of a longer period of time ? It's an interesting topic. I'll try to find some more data and report back. I should think I can find a button at "baseball-reference.com" that will give me the data back to the beginning. Until then I can add 2018 MLB= 52.6% winning pctg for home teams 2017-18= 58% for NBA home teams 10 years ending 2018 for NFL Worst home winning percentage= Cleveland 26-56-1= .317 Best home winning percentage= Patriots 83-15= .847 Middle team= .582 winning percentage at home using median as I did not want to add up all the teams
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Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2019 14:27:59 GMT -5
I did say baseball should have a greater home field advantage than the other sports, not that historically it did have one
For starters, since we're talking about the sports' finals, baseball is the only one that literally has different rules for each park. Your GM goes out and gets players for a 162 games and that line-up is either designed around a DH or not. Looking at a couple of Tigers from their last pennant, Max Scherzer had 61 AB's this season - Justin Verlander had 2. In the NL park, one would think Scherzer would be more likely to do something positive at the plate
NBA courts, and I believe new NHL rinks have standard dimensions. Not so in baseball. A team with a small ballpark might get a team of boomers to hit home runs, while a team in a cavernous ball park might get single hitting speedsters who can run down fly balls. The great Yankee teams always had power hitting lefties to take advantage of their short right field. I've seen visitors misplay a lot more wall balls at Fenway than Sox fielders. A smart GM uses these differences to his advantage
Last AB can make a difference. In extra innings after a lead-off hit doesn't know if they should play for one run or play it normal. The home team comes up knowing if playing for one run is a good idea or not.
I won't argue the stats, but I still think the nature of the game says baseball should have more of a home field advantage than the other sports
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Post by alum on Nov 1, 2019 15:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 1, 2019 15:40:58 GMT -5
Tom-- Great analysis!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 1, 2019 19:23:56 GMT -5
Wonder if that one season is representative of a longer period of time ? It's an interesting topic. I'll try to find some more data and report back. I should think I can find a button at "baseball-reference.com" that will give me the data back to the beginning. Until then I can add 2018 MLB= 52.6% winning pctg for home teams 2017-18= 58% for NBA home teams 10 years ending 2018 for NFL Worst home winning percentage= Cleveland 26-56-1= .317 Best home winning percentage= Patriots 83-15= .847Middle team= .582 winning percentage at home using median as I did not want to add up all the teams This is reflective of nothing more than the Patsies being always good, and the Browns being always horrendous.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 1, 2019 19:36:36 GMT -5
Right--that's why one is at one end of the spectrum and the other is at the other end. The learning comes in the middle where we see that home teams-on average, combining the horrible, poor, average, good and great teams--win 58% of the time.
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