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Post by longsuffering on May 13, 2019 21:06:24 GMT -5
Thank you. Both ballparks are attractive. The synthetic field at Brown is practical given early Spring weather and the chairbacks right behind home plate at both give almost as good a view as the umpire has.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2019 5:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on May 14, 2019 6:25:57 GMT -5
At one time many years ago HC was a destination of choice for many college bound baseball players - not relevant to today's game but still, just sayin'. Way back when, I remember watching a very talented HC team lose to Dartmouth. The Big Green used a hidden ball trick play to end the game. Dartmouth's first baseman, ball hidden in his glove, tagged out our guy on first base, game over - no John Sterling shout out. Ouch! LoveHC for the record the play was at 2nd base... discussed this play at Saturday's game with two others who were on the field that day [one said our player maintains that it was a balk because the Dartmouth pitcher was not completely off the mound]... the tag was applied by a Dartmouth senior All American [QB in football, now deceased] to our senior All American [CF]; both were across the line of scrimmage from each other in the fall in the rain when HC stopped a ranked Dartmouth team with a winning streak, longest in the nation at the time. after our legendary coach died shortly before the season, that '67 HC team made to the NE playoffs for the NCAA tournament, BC won the playoffs that season and went to Omaha
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Post by alum on May 14, 2019 7:24:50 GMT -5
While I am on record as thinking that the College needs to raise more unrestricted endowment money in support of financial aid which will necessitate spending less building things, I think that no matter how much we like the beautiful Fitton baseball field, that the College really needs artificial turf baseball and softball fields. The weather and the length of the season demand it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2019 10:06:04 GMT -5
While I am on record as thinking that the College needs to raise more unrestricted endowment money in support of financial aid which will necessitate spending less building things, I think that no matter how much we like the beautiful Fitton baseball field, that the College really needs artificial turf baseball and softball fields. The weather and the length of the season demand it. Both fields are in the flood plain. Simply put, it is not advisable to locate synthetic turf fields in a flood plain. Flooding can ruin a field by leaving behind contaminated sediment, and the floodwaters can ripple and tear the field's surface. And no parking on synthetic turf fields. .
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2019 10:16:24 GMT -5
Currently there are additional fences behind the softball outfield on Fitton Field. Does anyone know there purpose?
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Post by CHC8485 on May 14, 2019 10:25:39 GMT -5
Remnants of the Spring Concert there about 10 days ago.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 14, 2019 10:26:11 GMT -5
All three are similar to Brown or Bryant.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2019 10:33:41 GMT -5
All three are similar to Brown or Bryant. Yes. Pretty much the design that is standard for a D1 program today for softball. Of the five, I like the field at Lehigh. As noted, Field Turf could not be used on the lower campus fields due to the flood plain.
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Post by gks on May 14, 2019 11:52:03 GMT -5
All three are similar to Brown or Bryant. Yes. Pretty much the design that is standard for a D1 program today for softball. Of the five, I like the field at Lehigh. As noted, Field Turf could not be used on the lower campus fields due to the flood plain. Is this true? There are plenty of turf fields right along the banks of the Charles River in Boston. Wouldn't they be in a flood plain too?
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2019 14:41:09 GMT -5
That seems to be the consensus that field turf is not recommended in the lower campus fields. Even if it could be installed the price for remediation would probably not be covered by insurance. The risk is probably very high.
I will defer to my colleagues who are casualty underwriters as well as engineers and hydrologist for a definitive opinion.
Harvard with an endowment in excess of 38.3 billion dollars is probably self insured for the risk.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2019 15:06:45 GMT -5
Yes. Pretty much the design that is standard for a D1 program today for softball. Of the five, I like the field at Lehigh. As noted, Field Turf could not be used on the lower campus fields due to the flood plain. Is this true? There are plenty of turf fields right along the banks of the Charles River in Boston. Wouldn't they be in a flood plain too? I can find no record of the Charles River flooding over the embankment of Soldiers Field Rd., nevar Harvard's fields, or over Memorial Drive, near MITs. In March 1968, the Harvard Crimson reported on record flooding in Needham, but the the MDC predicted little or no flooding in Cambridge / Allston. In the 1970s, thousands of acres in the Charles River watershed were transformed into wetland storage of rainwater. ^^^^ The absence of previous flooding does not mean that sea level rise, and a storm surge topping the dam by North Station would not flood Soldiers Field Rd, for example. The Middle River, on the other hand, goo.gl/maps/xsZWqy9ExtN9u1zq8Cambridge St , about a quarter mile more or less from the softball field Cambridge St last July after a thunderstorm
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Post by bfoley82 on May 14, 2019 15:32:18 GMT -5
All three are similar to Brown or Bryant. Yes. Pretty much the design that is standard for a D1 program today for softball. Of the five, I like the field at Lehigh. As noted, Field Turf could not be used on the lower campus fields due to the flood plain. I wonder if the opposite corner of the field next to the Soccer Stadium (I think it was the football practice field years ago) would have a softball stadium put in with turf.
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Post by hcross22 on May 15, 2019 7:48:33 GMT -5
At one time many years ago HC was a destination of choice for many college bound baseball players - not relevant to today's game but still, just sayin'. Way back when, I remember watching a very talented HC team lose to Dartmouth. The Big Green used a hidden ball trick play to end the game. Dartmouth's first baseman, ball hidden in his glove, tagged out our guy on first base, game over - no John Sterling shout out. Ouch! LoveHC It clearly is still a destination of choice for many college bound baseball players.
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Post by purplehaze on May 18, 2019 7:37:39 GMT -5
Noah Song had the best record in all of D.1 at 11-0 going into last night’s game vs army in Annapolis - the cadets beat him 6-2 to win the first game of the series In a one bid league all that matters is how you perform in the playoffs
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2019 10:42:56 GMT -5
And in a six team one bid league the carrot on the end of the stick is a little closer to being caught. That gives the season excitement. In the ten team basketball format, it is harder to win it all but also impossible to be out of the playoffs no matter how bad you play, so the six team format gives you a greater sense of urgency to finish in the top two thirds of the regular season as well as an easier path to the NCAA through two playoff rounds instead of three or four. All good as far as I can see except for no automatic NIT equivalent for the regular season champion who falls in the tournament. Would love to see a baseball NIT at Fenway. The Red Sox would rent out their "lyric little bandbox" for rollerblade if they could make a buck off it, but doubt attendance would be high enough for a second banana college baseball tournament to make it feasible.
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Post by bison137 on May 18, 2019 22:39:59 GMT -5
$ in thousands, 2017-18 Fordham 1325 Columbia 1029 Georgetown 917 Lafayette 825 Lehigh 752 Yale 660 Cornell 614 Harvard 613 Dartmouth 555 Brown 488 Bucknell 487 UPenn 473 Princeton 467 HC 459
Considering those numbers, do you think another coach could do better?
This is surprising. Source? Lafayette has been at the bottom of the PL for years in baseball, yet they are spending the most (Army and Navy aside)? Joe Kinney, their head coach, is about 80 games under .500 in the PL during his career at Lafayette, yet he still has a job and Lafayette spends that much on baseball? Something doesn't add up. Source is the govt Equity in Athletics site. Lafayette has been spending the most of all PL teams for at least 6-7 years, so their performance is not at all impressive. Lehigh has started ramping up spending in baseball - and other sports - the last few years. I assume HC has no baseball scholarships, and I know Bucknell has none. (Bucknell has no scholarships in any men's PL sport except for football and basketball.) Four years ago, the spending differences were significantly less than they are now. One other factor is that Army and especially Navy have increased the number of athletic recruits over the years to the extent it is now overwhelming in many sports.
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Post by purplehaze on May 19, 2019 11:33:45 GMT -5
Navy won ydays game 4-2, so the winner today's game goes to the ncaa's.
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Post by hcbball on May 19, 2019 16:26:11 GMT -5
Army pulled off the upset.
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Post by purplehaze on May 19, 2019 18:09:51 GMT -5
With a run in the 9th to win 4-3 2nd year in a row the beat the Mids In Annapolis
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 19, 2019 18:46:26 GMT -5
As bison pointed out, the $ numbers are from the Department of Education's Equity in Athletics database. The numbers in that database arem in turn, derived from each school's annual report to the NCAA on revenues and expenses, which is much more comprehensive and detailed. I don't have the time to find Penn State's full report for 2017-18, but here is a link to a table that summarizes PSU expenses and generated revenue by sport. For baseball, generated revenue was $56,000; expenses were $1.662 million. www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/penn-state-football-generated-more-than-100-million-in-revenue-in-201718,1479244/ One can note that women's ice hockey at PSU had revenue over $1 million. Much of that is from restricted endowment monies, dedicated to PSU ice hockey. Such revenue counts as generated revenue, because the endowment is restricted to that sport.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2019 22:49:27 GMT -5
If women's hockey had restricted endowment income of $1 million and if men's hockey had restricted endowment income of $1 million then the restricted endowment principal just for PSU ice hockey has to be $40-50 million. Can you imagine what it is for football? Shows you what HC is up against in D-1.
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Post by bison137 on May 20, 2019 2:23:47 GMT -5
If women's hockey had restricted endowment income of $1 million and if men's hockey had restricted endowment income of $1 million then the restricted endowment principal just for PSU ice hockey has to be $40-50 million. Can you imagine what it is for football? Shows you what HC is up against in D-1. Back around 2010, Terry Pegula, a PSU grad and owner of the Buffalo Bills and Sabres, donated over $100 Million to start a hockey program there and help fund a really nice arena. He has probably donated more since then, and I am sure they have also picked up some other big donors. PSU hockey generates more revenue than their basketball and wrestling programs combined. And wrestling is the perennial #1 team in the nation and is located in perhaps the biggest wrestling hotbed in the United States.
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Post by hcross22 on May 20, 2019 8:20:03 GMT -5
And in a six team one bid league the carrot on the end of the stick is a little closer to being caught. That gives the season excitement. In the ten team basketball format, it is harder to win it all but also impossible to be out of the playoffs no matter how bad you play, so the six team format gives you a greater sense of urgency to finish in the top two thirds of the regular season as well as an easier path to the NCAA through two playoff rounds instead of three or four. All good as far as I can see except for no automatic NIT equivalent for the regular season champion who falls in the tournament. Would love to see a baseball NIT at Fenway. The Red Sox would rent out their "lyric little bandbox" for rollerblade if they could make a buck off it, but doubt attendance would be high enough for a second banana college baseball tournament to make it feasible. There would never be another baseball tourney. Guys go right to their summer teams when school ends. (which was last week at HC)
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Post by purplehaze on May 27, 2019 20:27:40 GMT -5
Army goes to Lubbock Tx to play no.8 Texas Tech on Friday - good luck to the cadets
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