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Post by hc87 on Jun 3, 2019 20:35:53 GMT -5
Steve's Cardinal Cushing is at the end.... whole 4-5 minutes is great...any doubt he's one of my faves?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2019 22:36:36 GMT -5
Wonder if on earth he found inner peace or true joy during life.
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Post by moose1970 on Jun 4, 2019 10:51:22 GMT -5
Wonder if on earth he found inner peace or true joy during life. frankly i would prefer true peace and/or inner joy but that is just my own predilection.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2019 15:38:10 GMT -5
The above is excerpted from a David Brooks op ed in today's NY Times, not for how such data may color the political landscape, but simply to suggest that if you have a bishop like Tobin, who seems to be increasingly out of touch with older generations of Catholics, think of the gulf growing ever wider between him and the younger generations.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2019 16:40:06 GMT -5
I wonder if Dioceses are balancing the books with one time revenue from selling closed Churches, Rectories and schools?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 4, 2019 16:50:35 GMT -5
Those properties typically don’t command huge $$$. Within the last few years the Louisville archdiocese sold its chancery (not an impressive building) and repurposed a closed grade school as the new energy efficient chancery
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2019 17:39:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Dioceses are balancing the books with one time revenue from selling closed Churches, Rectories and schools? Depends. In hot real estate markets, closed church buildings are being sold and adaptively re-used. Our Lady of Victories (unusually large rectory) Boston Holy Trinity (German Catholics) Boston St. Gabriel Monastery Boston Immaculate Conception, Boston, formerly Jesuit St. Joseph's Salem, demolished by the archdiocese, which itself re-developed the property. And then there is Notre Dame, Worcester. I believe this was the 'cathedral' for French Canadian Catholics in Worcester.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 4, 2019 21:02:28 GMT -5
It does worry me that HC will "fall undah the umbrella" of people looking askance at all things Catholic more and more moving forward.
I was heartened to see the admissions stats for the latest incoming class...hopefully we can continue to be seen as above the troglodyte thinking of some in the American Catholic Church today.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2019 0:01:05 GMT -5
It does worry me that HC will "fall undah the umbrella" of people looking askance at all things Catholic more and more moving forward. I was heartened to see the admissions stats for the latest incoming class...hopefully we can continue to be seen as above the troglodyte thinking of some in the American Catholic Church today. HC has nimbly maneuvered into Catholic with an asterisk, giving both the troglodytes and the radicals a chance to howl but not cause any real damage. The Bishop put HC on blast but waved off any suggestion that it is no longer Catholic.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2019 15:43:55 GMT -5
Rather than start a new thread, a lengthy article today about the moral and financial corruption of the bishop for West Virginia (a state where only four percent of the population is Catholic, so only one bishop) He is originally from Philadelphia. The diocese is rich, relatively speaking, benefiting from royalties from an oil field in west Texas, land donated to the diocese many decades ago. The bishop took advantage of this largesse, considering it to be a personal purse, and proceeded to write checks to cardinals and bishops in high and powerful places, currying their favor, either now or in the future. Perhaps he has ambitions for a red hat. I think this is simony, The bishop was also a sexual predator, pursuing seminarians and young priests. Complaints to the Vatican resulted in his being removed from ministry. The WaPo details what the investigation found. www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-wva-bishop-spent-millions-on-himself-and-sent-cash-gifts-to-cardinals-and-to-young-priests-he-was-accused-of-mistreating-confidential-vatican-report-says/2019/06/05/98af7ae6-7686-11e9-b3f5-5673edf2d127_story.html?utm_term=.dbdb9fed3ea3
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2019 16:03:57 GMT -5
"Trust but verify." -R.R.
The faithful have trusted, now it's time to verify with stronger lay oversight. But with 2000 years of smoke and incense clouding the view from the pew I am not holding my breath.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 5, 2019 16:39:07 GMT -5
When there is incense in the air, I ALWAYS hold my breath...ever since my days as an altar server.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2019 18:27:14 GMT -5
When there is incense in the air, I ALWAYS hold my breath...ever since my days as an altar server. "Dominus Vobiscum" "Et cum spiritu tuo" And ring the bells!
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 5, 2019 19:29:43 GMT -5
Ad intro ibo ad altare Dei
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 5, 2019 20:18:45 GMT -5
Enjoyed the smells and bells when I was an altar boy.
There was always contention within the altar boy group regarding who would carry the incense censer, ring the bells and carry the crucifix for Christmas, Holy Thursday and Easter Vigil High Mass, that was well attended in my grammar school parish.
Those were fun days, especially lighting the charcoal for the censer. Pyrotechnics in the sacristy.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2019 20:18:47 GMT -5
Sed libera nos a malo.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2019 20:28:32 GMT -5
JEnjoyed smells and bells when I was an altar boy. There was always contention within the altar boy group regarding who would carry the incense censer, ring the bells and the crucifix for Christmas, Holy Thursday and Easter Vigil High Mass, that was well attended in my grammar school parish. Those were fun days, especially lighting the charcoal for the censer. Pyrotechnics in the sacristy. I became a master of ceremonies in fourth grade, averaged 2 or 3 solemn highs a week, which meant a half day excuse from classes. (everyone was buried with a solemn high, Ordinary mass??!!! You didn't rate. Then we moved to a different city, and my alter boy days ended. We weren't above taking a sip or two of the sacramental wine. Too sweet. Most imbibing on novena vigils, earthly reward for doing a vigil.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 5, 2019 20:42:40 GMT -5
Well, we know which direction your soul is going when you pass from this earth! Like many of you, I was an altar boy (that's all there were at the time) and learned Latin (at least had it memorized) and was the first selected in my grade (4th or 5th, can't recall which was first year) and by 8th grade was the senior guy. Perks: (no wine!) included end-of-the year bus trip to either Coney Island or Rye Beach; getting out of school for funeral Masses; assisting at the daily Mass in the convent for the nuns (all ex-pats from Brooklyn) in which you got to "accidentally" whack your favorite nun in the starched neck with the paten (yes, I'm going to hell or at least purgatory for those actions). A little off-subject but have to state for the record, I never heard of any altar boy being molested or abused in any manner - not even a hint.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2019 22:44:38 GMT -5
My Parish had a Saturday class for alter boys called "Knights of the Alter." It was taught by a former Seminarian who had gone on to marry and have a family. Three Saturdays a month was a class in the Parish Center and one Saturday was a field trip to places like the Red Sox, the Planetarium at the Science Museum, Old Sturbridge Village, etc. It was a blast.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2019 7:47:38 GMT -5
Well, we know which direction your soul is going when you pass from this earth! Like many of you, I was an altar boy (that's all there were at the time) and learned Latin (at least had it memorized) and was the first selected in my grade (4th or 5th, can't recall which was first year) and by 8th grade was the senior guy. Perks: (no wine!) included end-of-the year bus trip to either Coney Island or Rye Beach; getting out of school for funeral Masses; assisting at the daily Mass in the convent for the nuns (all ex-pats from Brooklyn) in which you got to "accidentally" whack your favorite nun in the starched neck with the paten (yes, I'm going to hell or at least purgatory for those actions). A little off-subject but have to state for the record, I never heard of any altar boy being molested or abused in any manner - not even a hint. I started, I think, in second grade. My father had taken enough Latin to help me with the memorization. The parish did not have a parochial school, so we were released from a nearby public school. I can still remember the names of three of the four resident parish priests, one was a former lineman for BC. I would shag golf balls for him, and when he bought a new set of cubs he gave me his old set. Way too big for me at the time, but later, I played Merion with them. And as you stated, never anything untoward as far as misconduct with the alter boys.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 6, 2019 8:49:17 GMT -5
I did not start until 7th grade (and even then it took some intervention go get me onto the altar). Our pastor asked my mom why he had not seen me serving at Mass. She told him that Sr Gerard had not yet felt I was ready to serve. (Sister and I did not always see eye to eye.) He told me to come to serve the 6:30 Mass the next day. That was the Mass for the Sisters of Charity. As I walked out ahead of the priest I looked over at the sisters...and risked a wink. The look on Sister Gerard's face was priceless.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 8, 2019 7:07:42 GMT -5
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