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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2019 17:31:52 GMT -5
Phreek/Bob's posts are consistent with my memory. Some discussion but how serious we never knew but all pretty much agreed that if Fairfield did not reinstate their football program, it was a no-go. That said, I believe Fairfield's football program is at least as good as BU's and Loyola's. BTW, the most recent issue of the Fairfield magazine has a nice write up about their new basketball coach, Jay Young (Caleb's next coach??!! ).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 9, 2019 17:45:39 GMT -5
Can anyone point to a schedule where our 'geographic pairing' with BU is some sort of advantage with travel etc.. as far as I can tell the league does nothing to 'pair up' travel partners in any sport and actually subjects our student athletes to long bus rides for a single competition. It's bad for HC (and even worse by about an hour for BU) Other than for BostonU (and possibly Army) playing a game at another PL school usually means a travel day for HC.. I believe the PL AD's have agreed to not play back-to-back over a weekend; For example, HC playing @ Bucknell on a Friday night, and @ Colgate on a Saturday night. IIRC, the IL pairings for hoops are Harvard Dartmouth; Yale Brown; Cornell Columbia; and Penn Princeton, but those games are back to back. As there are only eight teams, one opponent is not included in a back-to-back schedule, e.g., Harvard and Dartmouth play each other a week or more apart. The Ivy Presidents are loath to have students miss class time, and players are known for selecting majors that minimize Friday classes.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 9, 2019 17:53:50 GMT -5
Phreek/Bob's posts are consistent with my memory. Some discussion but how serious we never knew but all pretty much agreed that if Fairfield did not reinstate their football program, it was a no-go. That said, I believe Fairfield's football program is at least as good as BU's and Loyola's. True. Looks like a draw. I.m sure they match up OK with American as well. But without football, Fairfield was a distant third when it came to choosing new members. Boston U brought in Boston and proximity to HC. Loyola brought in one of the nation's top lacrosse programs - which is the one sport where PL teams can win a national title. Fairfield was a nice alternative, but didn't bring in anything special. And without football, they will not become a member unless someone leaves. Btw, had Marist been willing to upgrade football, they would likely have been the first choice.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2019 17:56:16 GMT -5
I hope but doubt this is a joke. Outside of the "world famous" Marist poll, forgetabout it! I agree with your other comments though.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 9, 2019 18:30:09 GMT -5
I hope but doubt this is a joke. Outside of the "world famous" Marist poll, forgetabout it! I agree with your other comments though. No joke. PL football is desperate to add an 8th team, and there are no likely candidates on the horizon. Marist is not terrible academically by any standard. Marist is much more selective than Loyola and has slightly better SAT's. Also a larger endowment, albeit with a larger student body Also has better SAT's than American did when it joined the PL. A bit of trivia: Marist is in the process of starting a medical school in partnership with Nuvance Health.
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Post by trimster on Jul 10, 2019 5:29:17 GMT -5
Yeah - because a game vs Fairfield moves the needle a ton for local interest... Providence, BC and Georgetown aren't walking thru the door of the Hart Center. At least the Stags are someone we have history with, a fellow Jesuit college and close to our many alums in the NYC area,. The needle hasn't moved in ten years. Hopefully it does in 4-5 months.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 10, 2019 7:34:23 GMT -5
So, basically we can’ get opponents to the Hart when we are “too good” and we can’t get them there when we are too weak. Should we just forget we have the Hart at all? Let,s see how our new AD/HC duo does in scheduling before we start wringing our hands.
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Post by lou on Jul 10, 2019 7:42:42 GMT -5
I hope but doubt this is a joke. Outside of the "world famous" Marist poll, forgetabout it! I agree with your other comments though. Why mock? It is well known and effective and often quoted by Chris himself. Founded and run by MIT PHD and Fordham PHDs many years ago, they partner with PBS, WSJ, and NBC
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 10, 2019 7:52:31 GMT -5
Lou, not mocking the poll, mocking Marist. This formerly "Catholic" college (no bishop stripped it of that status that I know of) accepted me without me even applying. Granted, that was more than 50 years ago. Them going "sectarian" never sat well with me. My cousin's ex-husband graduated from there. Not saying it is a bad school but no one would say it is "top tier" and I would take Fairfield over Marist any day into the PL.
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Post by gks on Jul 10, 2019 8:11:28 GMT -5
Lou, not mocking the poll, mocking Marist. This formerly "Catholic" college (no bishop stripped it of that status that I know of) accepted me without me even applying. Granted, that was more than 50 years ago. Them going "sectarian" never sat well with me. My cousin's ex-husband graduated from there. Not saying it is a bad school but no one would say it is "top tier" and I would take Fairfield over Marist any day into the PL. I never understand the denigrating of other colleges when hypothetical inclusion into PL is brought up. Say Marist, which I have no connection or opinion of, was accepted into the PL. Would Holy Cross immediately become a lesser school? We're talking athletics here. This thinking has never made sense to me. What am I missing?
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Post by southernsader on Jul 10, 2019 8:34:06 GMT -5
A lot in my opinion. You are known by the company you keep. Still galls me that Loyola is in the league. BU is not an academic misfit, just a misfit in every other way. American, meh. We had a nice and appropriate league going until W & M bailed on us. The Tribe, us, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Colgate and the service academies - perfect.
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Post by gks on Jul 10, 2019 8:39:21 GMT -5
A lot in my opinion. You are known by the company you keep. Still galls me that Loyola is in the league. BU is not an academic misfit, just a misfit in every other way. American, meh. We had a nice and appropriate league going until W & M bailed on us. The Tribe, us, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Colgate and the service academies - perfect. William and Mary is a state school. So that doesn't 'fit'. Just looked at the A10. A very good basketball league. You've got state, private, big, small, religious, non-religious. Is Davidson hurt by being associated with URI? IMO and my opinion only....this is an 'Ivy' mentality that needs to go. Some diversity in league membership would go a long way to improve the product.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 10, 2019 8:49:46 GMT -5
Like it or not, the Patriot League, like the Ivy League, bills itself as an "academics first" league. Not denigrating Marist, it is just not the academic "peer" of other PL schools. And, yes, you could argue neither is Loyola or American. My point is, if the league was going to "loosen" its standards, I'd prefer another Jesuit school like Fairfield that is solid academically and rated pretty highly in the Northeast regional university category. And, yes, I am biased, as I have a stronger connection to Fairfield.
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Post by trimster on Jul 10, 2019 9:35:50 GMT -5
Like it or not, the Patriot League, like the Ivy League, bills itself as an "academics first" league. Not denigrating Marist, it is just not the academic "peer" of other PL schools. And, yes, you could argue neither is Loyola or American. My point is, if the league was going to "loosen" its standards, I'd prefer another Jesuit school like Fairfield that is solid academically and rated pretty highly in the Northeast regional university category. And, yes, I am biased, as I have a stronger connection to Fairfield. No offense to Towson but I don't think they quite measured up academically.
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Post by gks on Jul 10, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -5
Like it or not, the Patriot League, like the Ivy League, bills itself as an "academics first" league. Not denigrating Marist, it is just not the academic "peer" of other PL schools. And, yes, you could argue neither is Loyola or American. My point is, if the league was going to "loosen" its standards, I'd prefer another Jesuit school like Fairfield that is solid academically and rated pretty highly in the Northeast regional university category. And, yes, I am biased, as I have a stronger connection to Fairfield. No offense to Towson but I don't think they quite measured up academically. ...and the PL didn't crumble.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 10, 2019 9:53:13 GMT -5
Like it or not, the Patriot League, like the Ivy League, bills itself as an "academics first" league. Not denigrating Marist, it is just not the academic "peer" of other PL schools. And, yes, you could argue neither is Loyola or American. My point is, if the league was going to "loosen" its standards, I'd prefer another Jesuit school like Fairfield that is solid academically and rated pretty highly in the Northeast regional university category. And, yes, I am biased, as I have a stronger connection to Fairfield. Neither Marist or Fairfield is going to be invited. But the original point was that Marist would likely have been the first choice had it been willing to upgrade football. The PL has an enormous need for an 8th football member, so that would outweigh other factors. One factor that should be considered is that in the case of American, joining the PL seems to have had an effect on the school's reputation and academics. American is now more selective than HC and its SAT's aren't too far behind - much closer than 15 years ago. It is possible that the same may happen with Loyola over time, and it is possible that it might have happened with Marist or Fairfield.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 10, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 10, 2019 13:26:31 GMT -5
The event will be comprised of two brackets, the Naismith Bracket (Canisius, Mercer, Holy Cross and Hofstra) and the Hall of Fame Bracket (Florida Atlantic, St. Bonaventure, University of Illinois Chicago and University of San Diego). December 1 and 2 Game Times (All Games at Florida Atlantic University) December 1 12 Noon - Naismith Bracket Semifinal 3:00 PM - Naismith Bracket Semifinal 6:00 PM - Hall of Fame Bracket Semifinal 9:00 PM - Hall of Fame Bracket Semifinal December 2 11:00 AM - Naismith Bracket 3rd Place Game 2:00 PM - Naismith Bracket Championship Game 5:00 PM - Hall of Fame Bracket 3rd Place Game 8:00 PM - Hall of Fame Bracket Championship Game @bonnies_FAN Jul 6 More Given this, it seems that the Holy Cross and Hofstra games would be part of the tournament, thus freeing up two spots on the schedule. twitter.com/BONNIES_FAN
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Post by hchoops on Jul 10, 2019 14:37:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the dates Confused(does not take much ) Does this mean we play the Bonnies ? Hofstra ? Canisius ? Mercer ?
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Post by res on Jul 10, 2019 15:13:26 GMT -5
My guess is that you will play two of Mercer, Hofstra and Canisius in Boca and two of FAU, Bona, UIC and San Diego on their home courts.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 10, 2019 15:24:55 GMT -5
That is correct, sir - we play at FAU on the 29th and then those two games on the 1st and 2nd - then one addl game vs. a team from the Hall of Fame bracket (I guess on the road)
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Post by res on Jul 10, 2019 16:47:25 GMT -5
Based on the rumors floating around earlier, I suspect that the other HOF bracket opponent will be St. Bona in Olean and that one of the Boca opponents will be Canisius.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 10, 2019 20:51:56 GMT -5
Fairfield would be a GREAT addition to the Patriot League if they still had football. With football, a better addition than Loyola or BU IMO.
Wish BU would bring the sport back.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 10, 2019 21:09:56 GMT -5
We’re now in a tournament where we’re in the B division and the “A” division is FAU, Bonnies, San Diego and Sister Jean? Lord have mercy. Coach Nelson needs to get to work quickly. If we’re gojng to be in these types of tourneys, could we at least do one where the schools we have to travel to are of some interest on a national level?
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Post by gerry on Jul 10, 2019 22:36:12 GMT -5
I gotta think that Holy Cross draws either Mercer or Hofstra in the opener since Canisius is as already on the regular season schedule.
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