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Post by notjuanjones on Jul 11, 2019 2:31:49 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with. A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2019 5:50:22 GMT -5
NJJ, I, for one, have seen AU’s numbers climb since joining the Patriot League. Congratulations on that! It is most impressive improvement. Your journalism program in certainly a solid one, but the field of journalism itself seems increasingly to be built on quicksand as we look to the future, so that may not be the beacon it once was.
If you judge culture and development of a city by having a Walmart, you clearly have a unique sense of importance. I admire the pride you take in your alma mater. I enjoy your input on Crossports and hope you keep it up.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 11, 2019 6:50:04 GMT -5
I, too, appreciate the perspective that NJJ, bison127,unhfan and others bring to the board.
I hope that you non-affiliated HC posters also understand our pride, not arrogance, in how we feel about Holy Cross. You are valued guests here. As for AU being an academic peer, no, I don't believe that on the undergraduate level. As a university, you certainly have courses of study not available at a liberal arts college. That is certainly of value. But, sorry, AU in the classroom is not at the same level as Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, West Point, Annapolis or Holy Cross. All those schools, in turn, are not at the same level as Harvard, Princeton, Yale. Does that mean all those schools have no worth because they aren't HYP? Of course not.
I will concede a couple of things. 1. Holy Cross' rankings have dropped over the years from a consistently top 25 national liberal arts college to much lower ratings in no small part because TPTB adamantly won't "play the game" and 2. AU and perhaps Loyola have seen their reputation rise as a result of their association with the PL and where HC reputation has dropped, AU's has improved. The gap is narrowing, it hasn't been closed. If that's arrogance - guilty as charged.
Now, if you want to argue results on the basketball court, yep, I'm with you. Hopefully we will finally see the turnaround that we've been waiting for 10 years to see and befitting the Holy Cross tradition of excellence on the basketball court.
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Post by rickii on Jul 11, 2019 7:59:58 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with. A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. I respect sader1970 as a good poster but every time the elitist dung rears it's ugly head here I want to vomit.
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Post by rf1 on Jul 11, 2019 8:09:20 GMT -5
We’re now in a tournament where we’re in the B division and the “A” division is FAU, Bonnies, San Diego and Sister Jean? Lord have mercy. Coach Nelson needs to get to work quickly. If we’re gojng to be in these types of tourneys, could we at least do one where the schools we have to travel to are of some interest on a national level?
UIC is not Sister Jean. Her school is Loyola. UIC wishes it were Loyola.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 11, 2019 8:09:23 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with. A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. NJJ try not to generalize about all our HC posters. Some/many do not agree with sader1970.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 11, 2019 8:43:49 GMT -5
It’s the one thing that is awful about this board. I understand loving your school but the need of people to dwell on a time gone by or insult what they perceive to be lesser institutions of higher learning continues to baffle me. Father Harvey must have taught my CCD class incorrectly as he always taught Jesus as respecting everyone either those he disagreed with.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 11, 2019 8:51:23 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with saying that Holy Cross is a better school than American.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2019 9:05:41 GMT -5
Well said!
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Post by unhfan on Jul 11, 2019 9:20:03 GMT -5
Look, comparing AU to HC is like comparing apples to oranges. It is a useless exercise which merely serves to inflame passions all around. For some, HC is like a mistress who we love so passionately that we throw all caution and common sense to the winds. Others have no such passionate love and admiration but do have a high regard and interest in all things Holy Cross. As to calling out "elitist dung" please read on and before you "vomit." May I remind you and others that many of us come from a time when Holy Cross was more widely known as the top Catholic undergraduate college in America. Its reputation academically was unassailable although some did criticize the college as being too rigorous and overly harsh in its discipline and medieval in its approach to students. Like many on this board I could have gone to any Catholic college in America and to some Ivies large and small as well but we chose HC because it was the best Catholic education had to offer. In fact, HC is still quite highly regarded in the influential corridors of the professions, literature, politics and business. HC's reputational success cannot be measured solely in terms of widespread popularity (think Bowdoin,etc.) nor, the number of applications nor in the irredeemably flawed profit - driven, popular magazine rankings. HC does not play many of the games to raise its popular magazine rankings as do so many other schools. However, even in those flawed pop rankings HC is placed near the very top 3 or 4 Catholic colleges in America. Moreover, IMHO it is foolish to place colleges in a zero sum game of a competitive race as has been promoted over the last 30+ years by the aforementioned pop culture magazines. I write this not as a put-down of any other school. All have an important mission to play in the life of our country. Actually, I believe that the "best" school is the school that is best, the best fit for the individual student. However, please understand the distinction I am making between the "best" school for the student and those schools which offer a higher quality, more rigorous, more highly admired educational experience. Unfortunately, our need to quantify and the rankings race set up by popular magazines has blurred the distinction between the two. Possibly some of us are "elitist" to others but our elitism is not truly based on put downs of other schools but is based on the fact, of the clear cut, high standards and thehigh quality of a superior HC education. Count me among HC's passionate lovers. LoveHC In a quick response as I need to get going. I understand and respect the past that the older alums hold on to for life but is it safe to say that in the minds of most Catholics the Catholic university sits in South Bend? I realize I’m getting old at 42 but as a Catholic growing up in New Hampshire for me it was Norte Dame and Boston College as they were always on National TV.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 11, 2019 9:24:30 GMT -5
Yeah, they have had some good football teams, no doubt
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Post by hcpride on Jul 11, 2019 9:27:04 GMT -5
/\ /\ (unhfan ) As far as the general Catholic view nowadays of the strongest academic Catholic schools go I'd agree with you (BC and Notre Dame) and add Georgetown. (A quick trip to your local strong Catholic high school would confirm this is where the top kids who are going Catholic are going. Of course, many are going secular nowadays.)
Note: 50 or 6o years ago BC would not be on that list and Georgetown was more of a regional university.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 11, 2019 9:27:34 GMT -5
For some, frequency of television exposure is important, but it is not the be all and end all that some seem to believe. Also, isn’t comparing an undergraduate college with two universities that have grad schools comparing two very different entitles? I feel that difference is significant.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 11, 2019 9:28:56 GMT -5
Cut the crap guys. Holy Cross is a great school. Nothing wrong with saying HC offers a better undergraduate education than AU, BU, Loyola, or any other school who may think about joining the PL.
You become elitist when you start saying AU or BU or Loyola or Marist or Fairfield or xxx don't belong on the PL. That just makes you sound like the schmucks at Harvard, Yale, et al who decided after a couple of years of a formal agreement, determined that they could no longer lower themselves to affiliate (even loosely) with Holy Cross, Colgate, et al.
We're talking about a sports conference. All of the schools have strengths and weaknesses. We're not talking about schools in the lower quarter or third of academic reputations. There is nothing wrong with a good school wanting to get better by associating with the schools in the PL.
If AU has improved it's reputation in the last 20 years, in part by being in the PL, bravo for them and good for us.
Remind me how many PL titles AU has won in any sports in the last 5 years vs. their first 5 years in the PL? I'd bet you'd find that their supposedly inferior academic standards and smaller athletic program has not translated into tremendous athletic success in the PL. In the mean time, the PL academic brand has only been more firmly established over that time and oh BTW differentiated from the Ivy because they've dropped the need based aid portion of the model.
So stop acting like the elitist Ancient 8 who can't be bothered to affiliate with the unwashed masses. Find schools who want to be part of the PL. The addition of AU, Loyola and Boston U. have not diluted the image of the PL nor reduced the reputation of Holy Cross.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 11, 2019 10:30:22 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with. A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. There's a Walmart less than a mile from campus...other than that I have no problem with your post.
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Post by rickii on Jul 11, 2019 12:45:35 GMT -5
To repeat, these are all fine schools. Welcome to the PL. However, maybe in my older years, I have become overly sensitive, but I found the words "elitist dung" causing one to want to "vomit' erroneous in fact and more to the point, hurtful, when hurled at one of my highly respected fellow alums. My feeling is that if he is "elitist dung" then I proudly am "elitist dung" too and other alums are "elitist dung" too. With respect to all, LoveHC.
You misread my post....
I was shooting the message NOT the messenger....got it ?
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 11, 2019 13:58:52 GMT -5
let's zip it and WIN
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 11, 2019 19:19:36 GMT -5
Sez you! A pox on your house if you really think American is an academic peer with Holy Cross though I will give you they have the Russian grad student/influencer with ties to the NRA that we just can't match up with. A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. We have two Wal Marts within a 15 minute drive of campus. One in Leicester, MA. The second was completed about nine days before I graduated on the border of Worcester and Millbury — and it has a liquor license. HC and AU both great schools. But talk to me when you get a men’s lacrosse team!!!!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 11, 2019 19:23:45 GMT -5
A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. There's a Walmart less than a mile from campus...other than that I have no problem with your post. Literally opened during final exams my senior year. And it’s one of the 5 designated to sell beer in MA. Only time I got to set foot in the place was for a beer run on the way to Cape Week before hopping on 146. There is another store in Leicester which was the weekly grocery shopping locale for my house mates and I.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 14, 2019 20:47:16 GMT -5
A bit hard to see the door in front of you with your nose so high in the air. And such a surprise that the arrogance of the alums about your supposed superiority as a university hasn’t translated into stirring success on the...well, anywhere athletically for a good long while. Maybe our top ranked in the country journalism program can do a piece on how much better we’d all be living in Worcester than the capital of the free world. Write when you get a Walmart. We have two Wal Marts within a 15 minute drive of campus. One in Leicester, MA. The second was completed about nine days before I graduated on the border of Worcester and Millbury — and it has a liquor license. HC and AU both great schools. But talk to me when you get a men’s lacrosse team!!!! Only 2? There is one in Oxford on Route 20 and one in Northbridge whole Westboro might be 20 minutes away!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 16, 2019 5:19:35 GMT -5
Getting back to the schedule, based on what's been reported:
Home
Fairfield Northeastern Harvard
Away
Siena Canisius St. Bonaventure Florida Atlantic San Diego UNH (per UNHFan)
Neutral
2 of Canisius, Mercer, Hofstra
That's 11. If you bet on away at Sacred Heart, there would be 1 left. A guarantee game? Another home game would be nice too.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 16, 2019 7:32:02 GMT -5
Green (in Street clothes) will probably be with Fairfield when they come to the Hart. What reaction, if any, will he receive ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 16, 2019 7:34:47 GMT -5
No idea. I think he made many friends at HC. My son, a Fairfield grad, is unsure why he would make such a move. It may have something to do with the opportunity for grad school while still on scholarship.
What ever will HC do without a PG under 6' in height?
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Post by Tom on Jul 16, 2019 7:52:36 GMT -5
Green (in Street clothes) will probably be with Fairfield when they come to the Hart. What reaction, if any, will he receive ? Hard to say. Do transfers who are in their sit out year travel with the team? I'm pretty sure they're not allowed on the bench for road games. My prediction is that if he has a car on campus, or can arrange other transportation, he would try to come up for this game if for no other reason than to see his old buddies play and sit inconspicuously behind the visitor's bench. Fans who recognize him might point him out in the crowd but will basically ignore him. People who know him as a person and not just a player will go up to him and have polite conversation. Reaction might be much different if he were on the court
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Post by bigfan on Jul 17, 2019 7:46:37 GMT -5
Umass has scheduled Harvard and will play in Cambridge. Why can't they come to the Hart Center when they agree to play @ Harvard with a capacity that is less than the Hart Center?
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