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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 20, 2019 22:39:10 GMT -5
Have you seen the architectural renderings for the new residence hall on City View?.
Will it be on the north or south side of the street?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 20, 2019 22:44:22 GMT -5
Based on the pictures I have seen of the Bryant Indoor practice facility, it is highly unlikely the roof trust system cost the nearly the same as the Luth. If I remember correctly after the collapse, the building was completed in less than a year.
As previously noted, the Luth is built like a brick.........
The quality in the construction of the two buildings is in stark contrast.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2019 8:24:17 GMT -5
Have you seen the architectural renderings for the new residence hall on City View?. Will it be on the north or south side of the street? No. All I have heard is that an architect has been engaged, and the idea is townhouse style. __________________________ My money would be on the north side of City View. The Jesuit residence once had a City View address for assessing purposes, but no longer. The residence is now part of the campus itself, and is no longer a separate parcel on City View. On the north side of City View, lots 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 are owned by Holy Cross. The total frontage on City View for these five lots is 410 feet, and total area is 36,730 square feet. Assuming 80 percent lot occupancy, the townhouses could have a building footprint of about 29,000 square feet. Three stories would provide 90,000 square feet, more or less.. Figge is 60,000 sq ft and 156 beds. Using Figge values, 90,000 sq ft would give you about 225 beds, which is about the number needed for an Easy St dorm taken off-line for reconstruction. 11 City View is to the immediate west of the Jesuit residence. 11 City View has an 85 foot frontage on City View and the lot is 11,192 square feet. Owned by a family trust, the homeowner, at the time the trust was established, died in 2000 at the age of 86. Surviving child is about 80, and apparent only child of the surviving child is about 60. I assume the 80 year old is now the sole trustee. The two family house (four bedrooms, two full baths) is rented. Assessed value is $234,000. I assume HC has approached the trustee(s) as to whether he would be interested in selling the property. If he did sell, adding that quarter acre of land to the other holdings on City View could significantly change where the townhouse are built, and their configuration. IMO, the value of the property to HC diminishes greatly if HC builds the townhouses without this land. (Unless of course, HC envisions this property as the site for the Japanese tea house.)
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2019 10:04:34 GMT -5
How is HC dealing with any pushback about taking these residential lots off the property tax rolls? I believe other colleges have agreed to continue paying RE tax on some properties they have purchased.
In general I like expanding the campus to contiguous property to avoid a crowded, overbuilt feel of the main campus. To have acquired so many lots on Cityview and other streets without any major protests I can recall means people do not feel they were treated unfairly by the college. That is a credit to HC, and an apparent improvement in neighborhood relations.
Holy Cross did address the potential social justice issue of removing affordable housing stock by using it's bonding or credit in some way to back the building of an affordable home ownership condominium complex built on Cambridge Street several years ago. Unfortunately that building opened in the throes of a real estate downturn and languished mostly unoccupied for a long time after opening. The location roughly half way between HC and Clark was not the most attractive in a downturn.
The building seems to be working now but I wonder if HC lost money on that deal? In any case, the motivation was to help the community which Holy Cross does often.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2019 10:13:36 GMT -5
I was unaware of that "affordable" condo complex. It does sound like an attempt at doing something positive for Worcester. What are the units selling for that is considered affordable?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2019 10:50:05 GMT -5
I just checked but no current listings. At the time of opening I think the selling price for a 2 BR was about 70,000 or so, but to qualify to buy the income of the buyer had to be under a certain threshold yet still high enough with good credit to qualify for a mortgage. It was a narrow window.
The other aspect of this model usually is the appreciation is capped upon selling because the unit typically must be sold to another buyer who meets the qualifications. The goal is stable long term affordable housing and it appears to be working if there are no listings during the current hot market.
The building is three stories with no yard and minimal parking on a postage stamp lot, but it is across the street from the park with the baseball field you pass while driving from HC to Breen's Cafe for a cold lemonade .🙂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2019 12:19:02 GMT -5
Holy Cross making payments in lieu of taxes (PILOT / PILT) to the city is frowned on (an understatement) by the great majority of the posters who commented on past proposals to require such by the Worcester City Council..
I checked the tax base, looked at a property (with a house) on City View owned by Holy Cross, and HC appears to have paid $3700+ in property taxes in 2018 for this property.
I did not check Caro, where HC demolished the housing on most of the properties it bought. If HC is paying taxes on vacant land, the tax owed would be much less than it would be for the land with improvements (building). __________ I believe I mentioned this before, but HC now owns all but two of the lots on City View. #11, and #20. #20 is the last house on the south side of the street, across from the Jesuit residence.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 22, 2019 11:40:51 GMT -5
I am only able to get a thumbnail view from the webcam, but it appears that several parking lots between Hogan and the recently constructed, large, new parking lot north of Luth are fenced off. These are east of the main road leading up to the Hart from Hogan.
The lot nearest Hogan has no cars parked, but I cannot see enough detail to determine whether there is a fence. The next lot going up the gill has no cars, and there appears to be a fence. The next lot (a third lot) going up the hill also has no cars parked. Can't tell whether part of a fourth lot nearer Luth is also closed.
The only thing I am certain of is that these lots are not closed for re-striping.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 22, 2019 14:34:39 GMT -5
Pak - very interesting. I appreciate your good investigative work. LoveHC After somewhat outwitting possible cache issues on the webcam feed, it looks as if: * Lot 1 (closest to Hogan) is closed, Lot 2 (marked as Zipcar lot on Google maps) is closed, Lot 3, (marked as Faculty and staff lot on Google maps) is closed. The north part of Lot 4 may also be closed. Lot 4 is what you would traverse going from City View to Figge. and McCarthy Lane. * Green construction fencing and a gate at the west end of the east section of Lot 2 (near Brooks Mulledy). A construction trailer appears to be just beyond this green fencing and the construction gate. . * A dumpster in the middle of the closed section of lot 2. Probably for the wooden guardrails, and electrical utility pipes I expect construction to start within several weeks.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 22, 2019 17:25:56 GMT -5
How much of the footprint Lot 1,2,3,4 will the center occupy? Will it be beyond Lot 3?
I am also having issues with the web cam feed. I can see the thumb nail view, however the view specifically for the center appears to be offline.
It is very good news that the amount required to begin construction has been raised.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 22, 2019 18:47:21 GMT -5
How much of the footprint Lot 1,2,3,4 will the center occupy? Will it be beyond Lot 3? I am also having issues with the web cam feed. I can see the thumb nail view, however the view specifically for the center appears to be offline. It is very good news that the amount required to begin construction has been raised. I think the live stream is disabled. I clicked on save image, and I was able to snag a larger static image of the thumbnail. _______________________ As was also the case for The Jo, I was unable to obtain a set of construction plans for the CAC like I was for the Luth. And the renderings make it difficult to determine what side of the CAC Ione is looking at.  So, sunrise or sunset?.  There is another rendering in which the shadows suggest that this building is in the Southern Hemisphere. Looking toward Easy St/? My guess is that the CAC will take the south row of spaces in Lot 1, all of Lot 2 between the Hart Hogan road and the parking lane that runs north south and is aligned with the east side of Lehy; all of Lot 3, and the north row of spaces in Lot 4 between the Hart Hogan Road and the aforementioned parking lane.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2019 20:44:56 GMT -5
Pak, you notice as many details as Sherlock Holmes. One advantage if the large expanse of glass faces west toward Auburn would be patrons able to view the often spectacular sunsets from Mt. St. James in the evening. You would want the actual theatres protected from the sun, but it would work as part of a reception area.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 23, 2019 5:18:44 GMT -5
 Looking north. Glass facade. Outside terrace. Hogan looks to quite close.  From the southwest, looking northeast  From near Brooks Mulledy looking west.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 23, 2019 6:14:17 GMT -5
There are several more renders on the architect's project site. dsrny.com/project/college-of-the-holy-crossThe architect's site lists the project design team, for several of the firms I know principals; e.g., Silman, ther structural engineer, amf the landscape architect, Laurie Olin (Laurie is a 'he'.) Olin's project list. HC is on it.. www.theolinstudio.com/full-project-listOlin's list, strangely, omits Apple Park www.architectmagazine.com/design/the-untold-story-of-apple-park_oSilman would have familiarity with pre-rusted steel for facades. They are the structural engineer for this. /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9197425/03_29th_Street_017_copy.jpg) The 'columns' in this building, a reconstruction of a former government heating plant, are rusted steel, as is the horizontal steel beam running along the bottom of the image. IIRC, the beam is a counterweight offesting the greatly increased mass of the reconstructed building. The columns are louvered screening for the glass box within. The architect assured me they won't change color with time. I can see hoe $60 million nearly doubled.
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Post by gks on Jul 23, 2019 6:42:22 GMT -5
How long does it typically take after someone makes such a sizable gift for a building like this to break ground. I know there are probably 10,000 variables involved but it seems this project is stuck in the mud. Are the donors getting antsy I wonder?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 23, 2019 10:14:10 GMT -5
How long does it typically take after someone makes such a sizable gift for a building like this to break ground. I know there are probably 10,000 variables involved but it seems this project is stuck in the mud. Are the donors getting antsy I wonder? There is an excavator on the parking lot closest to Hogan as I write this. Whether it has broken ground I can't say, as the 'shovel bucket' is out of frame, and I can only load static images. Neil Prior's ('54) lead gift was made six and a half years ago. I think when he made the gift, he understood it would be a number of years before the project broke ground. But from a time standpoint, it is most desirable that a lead donor be around to see the building come to fruition. If there is an official groundbreaking ceremony, it may coincide with start of fall semester. Park Smith auctioned some of his wine for reconstruction of the old field house. That was in November 2006. Over 12 years later, construction of the student recreation center (replacing the old field house) finally began. Park Smith was also class of 1954.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 23, 2019 16:13:51 GMT -5
 Approximate outline of construction site in fuschia. Area between green dash line and fuschia line is likely area to be landscaped. Most (all) of this area is fenced off. Yellow lines are realigned Upper Campus Road. Red line is City View. Lot 1 is at top next to Hogan. (Lot nomenclature is Phreek's) Lot 2 has Zipcar button, Lot 3 has Faculty Staff Lot button Lot 4 has four rows of parking. North two rows are in the construction zone. At the SE corner (image lower right) of the fuschia rectangle, Jersey barriers have been placed, and one can no longer head west and exit this lot at the north-south parking lane that runs through the 'Staff' signage on the map . The south two rows of Lot 4 remain open and allow one to drive between City View and McCarthy Lane.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jul 23, 2019 16:32:26 GMT -5
I saw the sign indicating the location of the new PAC in the upper left hand corner of the purple line when I was at reunion. Great location, but there sure are a lot of lost parking spaces to mitigate!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 24, 2019 11:11:23 GMT -5
 I have no problem discerning where I am in this rendering! Also, this morning, the contractor has begun digging. I think this meets HC70's metric of 'it isn't happening until trucks start rolling up the hill' .
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2019 16:23:58 GMT -5
Which dorm is on the left ? Healy ? With Hogan on the right ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 24, 2019 16:29:23 GMT -5
Which dorm is on the left ? Healy. West to east, Healy, Lehy, Hanselan, Clark I believe Lehy was the first Easy St dorm, and is 75 years old. Hanselman was next. That's why I posted in the capital campaign thread that the college's next construction priority is rebuilding these dorms.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 24, 2019 18:46:44 GMT -5
I believe that Lehy and Hanselman was built in the late 1950’s with Healy and Clark completed in 1962 and Brooks-Mulledy completed in 1966.
If I remember correctly Wheeler does not have an elevator, so a complete gutting will be required.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 24, 2019 19:53:25 GMT -5
Wheeler has a freight elevator
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2019 19:54:14 GMT -5
Whyeeler did have an elevator back in 1963...but students were never allowed to use it.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2019 20:15:17 GMT -5
We did have a good floor, didn’t we?!
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