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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 24, 2019 11:26:36 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Jun 24, 2019 11:38:29 GMT -5
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this article. DCU, Centrum, whatever you want to call it dominated in the 80s because the old Boston Garden was a dump and terrible for concerts and summer tours were still being done inside arenas. Plus giant concert tours roaming the earth are far and few between these days.
Would like to have seen the affect Great Woods (or whatever it's called now) and other outdoor venues have had on the Providence Civic Center's concerts. Back in the day the tour stops were Portland, Worcester, Providence and Hartford.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 24, 2019 12:56:45 GMT -5
Now Fenway Park is the cool summer concert venue. You can bet Polar Park will try to give the DCU a run for their money hosting any event they can when the temperatures are 50 or above. The irony is Worcester taxpayers are supporting both venues. I don't know if the article covered that as I have a bad habit of commenting without reading the underlying article. Hanover Insurance Park at Fitton Field hosted one summer concert I can recall, which was Hootie and the Blowfish. Surprisingly it had sparse attendance even in a small 3,000 seat park iirc.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 24, 2019 15:09:31 GMT -5
The Providence Dunkin Donuts Center gets few concerts these days just as the case with the DCU Center. The concert business model has totally changed. Outdoor concerts at places like the Xfinity Center, Seaport Pavillion, Fenway, and Gillette are now the norm.
The DDC was purchased from the city by the state of RI and remodeled some ten years ago. It however has no chance of directly paying off the $100M spent for that even with decent regular draws like the AHL Bruins and PC Friars. These two teams just don't provide enough bookings. This is especially pronounced in the six month May to October time-frame when they are not playing and the venue sits nearly empty day after day. I went to the HC-URI game at the DCU Center this past season and remarked on these boards how it did look tired and worn. It needs a renovation to keep attracting events but the unfortunate reality is the venue in unlikely to generate enough new revenues to pay for it.
The city of Worcester as the owners of the arena and ballpark will have to continually pump money into both venues to keep them up to date. That is the reality of being in the entertainment business. The irony as pointed out above is that the city will be investing in venues that might sometimes compete against one another for the same events.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 24, 2019 19:38:01 GMT -5
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this article. DCU, Centrum, whatever you want to call it dominated in the 80s because the old Boston Garden was a dump and terrible for concerts and summer tours were still being done inside arenas. Plus giant concert tours roaming the earth are far and few between these days. Would like to have seen the affect Great Woods (or whatever it's called now) and other outdoor venues have had on the Providence Civic Center's concerts. Back in the day the tour stops were Portland, Worcester, Providence and Hartford. Exactly. All this plus the old Garden didn't have an HVAC system. |
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Post by gks on Jun 24, 2019 20:41:50 GMT -5
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this article. DCU, Centrum, whatever you want to call it dominated in the 80s because the old Boston Garden was a dump and terrible for concerts and summer tours were still being done inside arenas. Plus giant concert tours roaming the earth are far and few between these days. Would like to have seen the affect Great Woods (or whatever it's called now) and other outdoor venues have had on the Providence Civic Center's concerts. Back in the day the tour stops were Portland, Worcester, Providence and Hartford. Exactly. All this plus the old Garden didn't have an HVAC system. Could never image going to a [insert rock band here] concert in July in the old Boston Garden. Yuck. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 25, 2019 7:38:54 GMT -5
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this article. DCU, Centrum, whatever you want to call it dominated in the 80s because the old Boston Garden was a dump and terrible for concerts and summer tours were still being done inside arenas. Plus giant concert tours roaming the earth are far and few between these days. Would like to have seen the affect Great Woods (or whatever it's called now) and other outdoor venues have had on the Providence Civic Center's concerts. Back in the day the tour stops were Portland, Worcester, Providence and Hartford. Exactly. All this plus the old Garden didn't have an HVAC system. I seem to recall the HVAC system working just fine during the NBA finals in 1984 Not so great during the Stanley Cup finals in 1988 |
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Post by gks on Jun 25, 2019 9:29:46 GMT -5
Exactly. All this plus the old Garden didn't have an HVAC system. I seem to recall the HVAC system working just fine during the NBA finals in 1984 Not so great during the Stanley Cup finals in 1988 I'll never forget game 5 in '84. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 25, 2019 9:41:30 GMT -5
I seem to recall the HVAC system working just fine during the NBA finals in 1984 Not so great during the Stanley Cup finals in 1988 I'll never forget game 5 in '84. The Lakers could never figure out how the court was much cooler where the Celtics were positioned than where the Lakers were positioned. Good times. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 25, 2019 11:53:59 GMT -5
I'll never forget game 5 in '84. The Lakers could never figure out how the court was much cooler where the Celtics were positioned than where the Lakers were positioned. Good times. Great shot of a fan in the stands lighting up a butt. How the world has changed. I don't believe there was air conditioning in the Hart Center arena when it was built. Did the $90 million Luth addition and renovation add AC to the basketball arena? The air was certainly stale during the PLC sellouts. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2019 7:37:13 GMT -5
The Lakers could never figure out how the court was much cooler where the Celtics were positioned than where the Lakers were positioned. Good times. Great shot of a fan in the stands lighting up a butt. How the world has changed. I don't believe there was air conditioning in the Hart Center arena when it was built. Did the $90 million Luth addition and renovation add AC to the basketball arena? The air was certainly stale during the PLC sellouts. I believe the new parts of Luth/Hart have A/C, as well as the two floors of coaches offices that are located where strength and conditioning used to be. Otherwise,...... (From an aerial view there are small roof units on top of the rink and the court, but these looked undersized.) Speaking of Luth, voted one of the best new athletic facilities; only facility at a non-Power Five school so honored. usatodayhss.com/2019/ncsa-best-new-college-athletic-facilities |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 26, 2019 10:50:44 GMT -5
Each facility featured is fabulous. I am relating to the shock and awe students from meat and potato backgrounds must feel when they get to college and start using these resources to when I got to HC and was able to use those little music listening rooms in Hogan to listen to a whole Neil Young or Bob Dylan album. Before college the only AV device I personally owned was a transistor radio and my family had two B&W TVs and a non-stereo record player. Hats off to the successful alumni from each school who donated towards each facility. Better than buying a huge yacht, imo. The LAC has to be paying dividends in recruiting.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2019 11:49:25 GMT -5
Great shot of a fan in the stands lighting up a butt. How the world has changed. I don't believe there was air conditioning in the Hart Center arena when it was built. Did the $90 million Luth addition and renovation add AC to the basketball arena? The air was certainly stale during the PLC sellouts. I believe the new parts of Luth/Hart have A/C, as well as the two floors of coaches offices that are located where strength and conditioning used to be. Otherwise,...... (From an aerial view there are small roof units on top of the rink and the court, but these looked undersized.) Speaking of Luth, voted one of the best new athletic facilities; only facility at a non-Power Five school so honored. usatodayhss.com/2019/ncsa-best-new-college-athletic-facilitiesThe Kevin Shea video (new coach search in hoops subforum) of Blossom standing in Blaney with a fan in the background indicates there is no A/C in Blaney. |
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Post by gks on Jun 26, 2019 12:11:57 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I thought I heard that only the offices have AC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2019 16:26:51 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I thought I heard that only the offices have AC. There appear to be several large chillers on the roof of the office section of Luth. These can be clearly seem on the Google aerial view of Luth. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 26, 2019 20:07:16 GMT -5
I was in the lobby of the Hart two weeks ago, and it was comfortable, as well as the rest of the building. Outside of the administrative and coaching offices that are used year round, is there a need to put chillers in the Hart Arena, the pool, and the rowing tanks? The rink is always cold it seems, even in the summer, when there is no ice on the floor. The Luth complex is multiple buildings that require HVAC zone design for each of the venues. The fan in the video seems inadequate if it was being an attempt to cool the gym. More like it was placed there as a spot that someone could stand in front of to get momentary relief. Just like the cool mist machines, used in outdoor venues which obviously cannot be used inside a gym for spot relief.
When the building was redesigned, it seems that it would have been considered by the architects regarding capacity usage and HVAC requirements for each venue by season. Considering basketball season starts in November and is over by March, is there a real need to maximum chill that portion of the complex. The only other time that there would be a need would be at the start of the school year for a convocation or mass for the entire school. I do remember notations while the building was undergoing renovations in 2016 about updates to the HVAC units being installed on the roof of the original building in the complex.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 27, 2019 6:27:57 GMT -5
I take back my early comment about Blaney. This is a 360 tour of Blaney, and clearly visible is large tube piping above the court which should be HVAC. But a new mystery is, what are the black boxes above the court? Are these a sound system for emulating raucous obnoxious fan behavior? One can also see a Juliet-type balcony, which, when I saw it in the plans, I called it the NAD balcony. |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 27, 2019 10:18:24 GMT -5
I'll never forget game 5 in '84. The Lakers could never figure out how the court was much cooler where the Celtics were positioned than where the Lakers were positioned. Good times. I went to Game 7 that year. It was, perhaps 2 or 3 degrees cooler; then again, it was the same heat wave the and building itself was probably as warm as for Game 5. It was so loud I had hearing problems for the next 24 hours or so. |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 27, 2019 10:23:12 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I thought I heard that only the offices have AC. Penny wise, dollar foolish? LoveHC Perhaps not high on the priority list? If we had a brand new thread asking posters what they would add/modify in terms of HC facilities; I doubt that too many people would have said "AC for the parts of the Luth that don't have it". Most would focus on Fitton in one way, shape or form. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 27, 2019 15:03:12 GMT -5
Perhaps not high on the priority list? If we had a brand new thread asking posters what they would add/modify in terms of HC facilities; I doubt that too many people would have said "AC for the parts of the Luth that don't have it". Most would focus on Fitton in one way, shape or form. Certainly, Fitton is in great need of a makeover and modernization, IMHO. Love HC The large end zone bleachers have a ton of wear and tear...not.  Fenway Bleacher tickets were fifty cents back in the day. How about $5 for Fitton end zone admission including a hot dog and soda? Access to the ingredient list in that hot dog, one dollar extra.  |
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Fenway Bleacher tickets were fifty cents back in the day. How about $5 for Fitton end zone admission including a hot dog and soda? Access to the ingredient list in that hot dog, one dollar extra. 