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Post by timholycross on Jul 12, 2019 11:08:53 GMT -5
87, I still see some of the same parallel that you noted with the 85 football team and this last year’s basketball team. Connor and Austin both injured, and Coach Carmody dealing with a severe health issue of his wife. I am still looking at the glass at least half full for the up coming season. I don't know. That hard-luck 4-6-1 '85 team was preceded by 3 stellar years (8-3, 9-2-1 and 8-3) and was loaded with the sort of talent/recruits (including, but not at all limited to, sophomore Gordie Lockbaum and frosh Jeff Wiley) that led to 10-1 and 11-0 years in '86 and '87. IMHO during that stretch we had superior players compared to most of our competition. Of course Coach Carter and Coach Duffner were excellent recruiters and coaches as well. (I can't claim with a straight face that we out-talent most of our hoops opposition nowadays...and we have had 4 straight years under .500 in hoops - last year was no blip) That was one strange season, team looked good in its opener then got blown out at Umass w/starting qb Pat McCarthy getting his leg broken early in the game (believe he took a few snaps in the BC game but basically missed the rest of the season). Wiley ended up the starter mid season but he showed his lack of experience pretty much throughout the year; lots of highs and lows. Harvard scored 3 touchdowns in about 2 minutes late in the game to beat the Saders; and the Yale loss was a real heartbreaker (I'd put it up there with some other Yale disasters over the years). Also, two games played in monsoons (Darmouth, win; UConn, loss) and another game (Delaware) played in heavy winds the day after a hurricane hit the Woo (The Hens must have had a hell of a trip up to Worcester and played like it). |
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Post by lou on Jul 12, 2019 11:46:58 GMT -5
A few posters have noted that some players seemed "indifferent" at times last season despite getting full rides to Holy Cross while other students go into substantial debt to attend. Not accurate at all. It's one thing to criticize Carmody, but something entirely different to say these players did not give 100% on the floor every game. Floyd, Benzan, Green, Butler, Grandi, Faw, Niego...which one didn't give 100%? Not while I was watching |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 12, 2019 11:58:41 GMT -5
Some confuse the way people who did not like the coach tried to spin everything in that direction with the real state of the team. I did not see players giving less that their 100% at any time last season.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 12, 2019 12:13:13 GMT -5
There were a few games last year where the team looked mentally checked out (see: final home game against American). I'm not sure that's on the players as much as it is on the coaching staff.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 12, 2019 15:49:15 GMT -5
There were a few games last year where the team looked mentally checked out (see: final home game against American). I'm not sure that's on the players as much as it is on the coaching staff. “Mentally checked out” ?? I guess, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder one sees what one wants to see |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 12, 2019 16:55:44 GMT -5
You should rewatch the final home game of last season.
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 12, 2019 17:01:17 GMT -5
You should rewatch the final home game of last season. But certainly not as bad as the home game vs Navy from the previous season. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 12, 2019 17:25:52 GMT -5
Ask about "checking out" and that Navy game from two seasons back is the one that comes to mind - after losing some teammates. The next game vs Navy was a very different story.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 12, 2019 17:42:31 GMT -5
Ask about "checking out" and that Navy game from two seasons back is the one that comes to mind - after losing some teammates. The next game vs Navy was a very different story. After the Navy debacle, Pat Benzan convened a players-only meeting, and the team bounced back to win three of the next four - back-to-back road wins vs. BU and Army, a one-point loss to Bucknell in OT, and a solid final home victory over AU. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 12, 2019 18:23:20 GMT -5
There were a few games last year where the team looked mentally checked out (see: final home game against American). I'm not sure that's on the players as much as it is on the coaching staff. “Mentally checked out” ?? I guess, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder one sees what one wants to see Exactly! Some refused to see that Carmody was sleepwalking through the last couple years  |
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2019 19:14:19 GMT -5
“Mentally checked out” ?? I guess, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder one sees what one wants to see Exactly! Some refused to see that Carmody was sleepwalking through the last couple years We each see what we need to see for all of the haters of the past get over it or nothing in the future will make you happy this board should continue to debate the situation moving forward however, we just hit the refresh button and should be doing all we can to promote the future of the program if not us, then who will do so? |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 12, 2019 19:51:10 GMT -5
“Mentally checked out” ?? I guess, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder one sees what one wants to see Exactly! Some refused to see that Carmody was sleepwalking through the last couple years Nonsense. Some insisted that anything bad that happened was armload's fault...but they seemed to forget about a couple of good things (Hall of FZAme Title for one). |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 12, 2019 20:14:44 GMT -5
Exactly! Some refused to see that Carmody was sleepwalking through the last couple years We each see what we need to see for all of the haters of the past get over it or nothing in the future will make you happy this board should continue to debate the situation moving forward however, we just hit the refresh button and should be doing all we can to promote the future of the program if not us, then who will do so? Branding alumni and/or fans who were frustrated with a coach who finished his tenure at HC with an abysmal .443 winning percentage, including a somehow even worse .389 PL winning percentage, as “haters” will always be beyond silly. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 12, 2019 20:17:12 GMT -5
Exactly! Some refused to see that Carmody was sleepwalking through the last couple years Nonsense. Some insisted that anything bad that happened was armload's fault...but they seemed to forget about a couple of good things (Hall of FZAme Title for one). If winning the “Hall of Fame Title” in the “kid’s bracket” of the tournament is what you’re really going to hang your hat on for Carmody’s last couple years, that tells me everything I need to know... Go Cross Go! |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 12, 2019 21:05:55 GMT -5
In response to an inquiry on Instagram about whether he’s leaving, Jacob posted a photo of himself as a young boy wearing a Cal jersey. I don’t take that as a positive sign that he’s staying in Worcester.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2019 21:08:36 GMT -5
We each see what we need to see for all of the haters of the past get over it or nothing in the future will make you happy this board should continue to debate the situation moving forward however, we just hit the refresh button and should be doing all we can to promote the future of the program if not us, then who will do so? Branding alumni and/or fans who were frustrated with a coach who finished his tenure at HC with an abysmal .443 winning percentage, including a somehow even worse .389 PL winning percentage, as “haters” will always be beyond silly. My point is the past decade plus is not what any of us wanted, but to dwell on it isn’t healthy -the record is what it is. The debate is fine and healthy, but the tone is not. I am am not asking for us to view the situation through rose colored glasses, but if we focus on the negative all the time, I fear whatever happens in the future will never be good enough we hit the refresh button and should focus on what is possible. most of us are older, may or may not have played some sport while at HC, but now is the time for us to find enjoyment in a quality product. I am more guilty than most, and was harder on the performance of some than anybody, and I was wrong. Time to move on , enjoy the program, and find the positive With all that said, I know my passion for the school and each of the programs will come out in the seasons ahead and in all likelihood some frustrations will be expressed as a fan—when I do that please remind me of what Is important. |
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 12, 2019 21:42:10 GMT -5
Just checked the Cal ‘19-‘20 roster—18 players on it. Didn’t have the time to check how many walk-ons were on it but it would have to be at least 6 for Cal to be able to offer a spot to another player. Golden Bears were 8-23 overall and 3-15 in Pac-12
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Post by HC92 on Jul 12, 2019 22:08:15 GMT -5
Just checked the Cal ‘19-‘20 roster—18 players on it. Didn’t have the time to check how many walk-ons were on it but it would have to be at least 6 for Cal to be able to offer a spot to another player. Golden Bears were 8-23 overall and 3-15 in Pac-12 Not sure I’d interpret the post as a signal he’s going to Cal. Maybe just that his roots are in the state and he may wind up out there. Or he's just goofin’ with people and he’ll be back at HC. |
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 12, 2019 22:18:38 GMT -5
Just checked the Cal ‘19-‘20 roster—18 players on it. Didn’t have the time to check how many walk-ons were on it but it would have to be at least 6 for Cal to be able to offer a spot to another player. Golden Bears were 8-23 overall and 3-15 in Pac-12 Not sure I’d interpret the post as a signal he’s going to Cal. Maybe just that his roots are in the state and he may wind up out there. Or he's just goofin’ with people and he’ll be back at HC. How cool is this - posters discussing JG on the thread labeled JG! Will wonders never cease?!? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 12, 2019 23:09:38 GMT -5
If JG were to transfer to California he'd sit out a year and then be in same class as last year's freshmen. Cal had six freshmen last year and four of them are listed on the current roster:
6-7 Justice Sueing (what a name!) who played 80% of minutes--KenPom has as PF/SF
6-5 Juhwan Harris-Dyson who played 46% of minutes--SG/SF
6-8 Grant Anticevich who played 12% of minutes--he's from Australia so I'd guess unlikely he's a walk-on
6-3 Darius McNeill who played 82% of minutes--he's the point guard
Cal had only one sophomore and he played sparingly.
Cal went 8-24 then 8-23 in last two seasons under new coach Wyking Jones who played at Loyola Marymount
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 13, 2019 0:45:43 GMT -5
There is some logic to a possible transfer to Cal. If JG is a California resident and transferred to Berkeley, he could conceivably be a walk-on because it wouldn't cost that much as an in-state student and the cost may be well worth it to attend one of the top schools in the country close to home and still have the chance to earn playing time and/or a starting position.
JG was the top scorer and best FT shooter last year for the last place PL team. Does that qualify for three years of scholarship for two years of eligibility for a middling Pac 12 team? I would say yes, if they have one available, but transferring there could still make sense even if they don't.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2019 5:07:11 GMT -5
Nonsense. Some insisted that anything bad that happened was Carmody's fault...but they seemed to forget about a couple of good things (Hall of Fame Title for one). If winning the “Hall of Fame Title” in the “kid’s bracket” of the tournament is what you’re really going to hang your hat on for Carmody’s last couple years, that tells me everything I need to know... Go Cross Go! If never referring to the title ( you call it a "kid's bracket" - no one else that I have seen does that) is again part of your selective memory, that tells me a lot. However, I have an inquiring mind so few facts, if any, tell me " everything I need to know." I guess you are more easily satisfied. Know how many of HC's wins last year were against teams that went to the NCAA? Yes, Carmody's time as head coach was not what we might have hoped, but he is no longer HC head coach so why not let it go? To engage in personal attacks, like saying he was "sleepwalking" though the job is. needlessly insulting. |
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Post by gerry on Jul 13, 2019 6:09:35 GMT -5
Grandison did confirm he is leaving on his Instagram. Someone told him that he would be missed, and JG responded with "A Wise Man once told me from tragedy comes opportunity." There are other messages on there from friends that he acknowledges by saying how he will miss them.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 13, 2019 6:31:24 GMT -5
If so, I hope we've officially re-claimed his scholarship and given Nelson the opportunity to utilize it right away in his 2020 recruiting push.
Expect we'll see some fresh offers coming out of this weekend.
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Post by joe on Jul 13, 2019 7:05:18 GMT -5
Grandison did confirm he is leaving on his Instagram. Someone told him that he would be missed, and JG responded with "A Wise Man once told me from tragedy comes opportunity." There are other messages on there from friends that he acknowledges by saying how he will miss them. A lesson he’ll learn when he encounters real tragedy. Also, you don’t self-impose tragedy. Tragedy is thrust upon you. Give me a break. |
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