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Post by hchoops on Jul 16, 2019 15:09:06 GMT -5
replace 2 seniors
now the team of 11 has 6 freshmen
hope there is talent with numbers
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 16, 2019 15:37:18 GMT -5
I have spoken with the golf coach and he's very excited about this class. For those of us who have read the website for years, you might say to yourself 'I've never seen a golf recruit release before'. Well, you'd be correct. Our previous coach did not care and basically treated the program as a glorified intramural team, and it showed (similar to our many other minor sports). Golf recruiting is not unlike other sports where you have to make connections in the student's soph year (latest jr yr) in h.s. For the first time in many years our team did not finish last in last spring's team championship. The credentials of these golfers speak for themselves and they received 'zero' athletic aid, of course.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 16, 2019 17:11:30 GMT -5
. The credentials of these golfers speak for themselves and they received 'zero' athletic aid, of course. Pretty sure that only Loyola in the PL has any athletic aid for golf. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 16, 2019 18:24:18 GMT -5
In 2017-18, HC was at the very bottom of all PL and A-10 schools with a men's golf team, spending $84,000. Loyola spent $401,000. GWU was high at $1,007,000. I think HC has started awarding some merit aid for golf to get recruits of this calibre, and residing outside of New England.
(I have no idea how GWU can spend so much, Do they practice in Scotland? The NCAA cap is 4.5 full scollies, about $315K total at PL cost of attendance levels. Loyola would look to be about at the cap.)
Six scollies each @ $25,000 = $150,000 and would bring HC spending up to about the level of Colgate, At $230,000, HC would still lag behind Lafayette and Loyola
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 16, 2019 23:55:04 GMT -5
In 2017-18, HC was at the very bottom of all PL and A-10 schools with a men's golf team, spending $84,000. Loyola spent $401,000. GWU was high at $1,007,000. I think HC has started awarding some merit aid for golf to get recruits of this calibre, and residing outside of New England. (I have no idea how GWU can spend so much, Do they practice in Scotland? The NCAA cap is 4.5 full scollies, about $315K total at PL cost of attendance levels. Loyola would look to be about at the cap.) Six scollies each @ $25,000 = $150,000 and would bring HC spending up to about the level of Colgate, At $230,000, HC would still lag behind Lafayette and Loyola Look at Fairleigh Dickinson's Men's and Women's programs. fduknights.com/roster.aspx?path=mgolffduknights.com/roster.aspx?path=wgolf |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 17, 2019 8:48:54 GMT -5
In 2017-18, HC was at the very bottom of all PL and A-10 schools with a men's golf team, spending $84,000. Loyola spent $401,000. GWU was high at $1,007,000. I think HC has started awarding some merit aid for golf to get recruits of this calibre, and residing outside of New England. (I have no idea how GWU can spend so much, Do they practice in Scotland? The NCAA cap is 4.5 full scollies, about $315K total at PL cost of attendance levels. Loyola would look to be about at the cap.) Six scollies each @ $25,000 = $150,000 and would bring HC spending up to about the level of Colgate, At $230,000, HC would still lag behind Lafayette and Loyola Look at Fairleigh Dickinson's Men's and Women's programs. fduknights.com/roster.aspx?path=mgolffduknights.com/roster.aspx?path=wgolfFDU spends $361K on m's golf, $341K on women's golf. GWU had eight golfers on the men's team, no women's team. Operating expenses were $155,000. Interestingly, GWU reported golf revenue of $1.007 million, identical to the expenses. It may be that GWU received a generous gift for golf from a generous foreign benefactor, and spent it. . |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 17, 2019 9:05:00 GMT -5
FDU knows where to find success...they also have a strong bowling program (that has at least one NCAA title to its credit).
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Post by crosspride on Jul 17, 2019 9:07:20 GMT -5
I have spoken with the golf coach and he's very excited about this class. For those of us who have read the website for years, you might say to yourself 'I've never seen a golf recruit release before'. Well, you'd be correct. Our previous coach did not care and basically treated the program as a glorified intramural team, and it showed (similar to our many other minor sports). Golf recruiting is not unlike other sports where you have to make connections in the student's soph year (latest jr yr) in h.s. For the first time in many years our team did not finish last in last spring's team championship. The credentials of these golfers speak for themselves and they received 'zero' athletic aid, of course. Golf receives next to no financial support and finishes the same spot in the PL as all of our other teams that receive millions of dollars annually. Our recent basketball coaches made more in one game (most were losses) than the golf teams got annually. Change that and then maybe we’ll see some success. It is nice that the coach is excited about the class though, because I’m sure he’d tell you he hates all of his incoming recruits! |
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Post by breezy on Jul 17, 2019 9:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2019 9:34:29 GMT -5
Very impressive
Another Paul Harney ‘52 (R.I.P.) ?
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Post by bison137 on Jul 17, 2019 9:52:37 GMT -5
GWU had eight golfers on the men's team, no women's team. Operating expenses were $155,000. Interestingly, GWU reported golf revenue of $1.007 million, identical to the expenses. It may be that GWU received a generous gift for golf from a generous foreign benefactor, and spent it. . That is normal. In most cases where programs lose money, the college's contribution to fund the program will exactly equal the difference between true revenue and expenses. Thus revenue and expense will be identical. That is true, for example, for every PL sport for every team (I think). It is true for over 95% of college sports in general. The accounting never shows less revenue than expense. |
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Post by bison137 on Jul 17, 2019 10:09:23 GMT -5
Here is what PL schools spent on golf for the most recent year and also for the 2015 fiscal year. These numbers are net of travel expenses and greens fees, so they basically include cost of athletic aid, coaches' salaries, and recruiting expenses.
2017:
Bucknell University 72,127
Colgate University 136,284
College of the Holy Cross 35,763
Lafayette College 121,875
Lehigh University 104,510
Loyola University Maryland 272,867
2015:
Bucknell University 31,892
Colgate University 96,350
College of the Holy Cross 33,268
Lafayette College 63,973
Lehigh University 76,836
Loyola University Maryland 234,944
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Post by alum on Jul 17, 2019 10:33:06 GMT -5
Here is what PL schools spent on golf for the most recent year and also for the 2015 fiscal year. These numbers are net of travel expenses and greens fees, so they basically include cost of athletic aid, coaches' salaries, and recruiting expenses. 2017: Bucknell University 72,127 (3) Colgate University 136,284 (7) College of the Holy Cross 35,763 (8) Lafayette College 121,875 (6) Lehigh University 104,510 (5) Loyola University Maryland 272,867 (1) 2015: Bucknell University 31,892 (7) Colgate University 96,350 (T3) College of the Holy Cross 33,268 (8) Lafayette College 63,973 (T3) Lehigh University 76,836 (5) Loyola University Maryland 234,944 (1) I filled in the places in the PL championship for both years. (Sorry, I didn't reorder them to make it look pretty.) Army finished second both times. I think that we can say that, to a point, the amount of money spent is a strong predictor of the team's success or lack thereof. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 17, 2019 11:03:24 GMT -5
Christian's (he's a southpaw) accomplishment speaks to the quality of his golf - there's usually at least 100 golfers with a maximum of a 3 handicap (?) that compete in these qualifiers. Our coach is obviously out there recruiting with the Luth (I understand there is a place to swing in the winter) and everything else the school has to offer. I'd be surprised if his budget has increased much.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 17, 2019 11:48:53 GMT -5
I have spoken with the golf coach and he's very excited about this class. For those of us who have read the website for years, you might say to yourself 'I've never seen a golf recruit release before'. Well, you'd be correct. Our previous coach did not care and basically treated the program as a glorified intramural team, and it showed (similar to our many other minor sports). Golf recruiting is not unlike other sports where you have to make connections in the student's soph year (latest jr yr) in h.s. For the first time in many years our team did not finish last in last spring's team championship. The credentials of these golfers speak for themselves and they received 'zero' athletic aid, of course. Golf receives next to no financial support and finishes the same spot in the PL as all of our other teams that receive millions of dollars annually. Our recent basketball coaches made more in one game (most were losses) than the golf teams got annually. Change that and then maybe we’ll see some success. It is nice that the coach is excited about the class though, because I’m sure he’d tell you he hates all of his incoming recruits! This post reminds me of the day I mistakenly took truth syrum instead of my cholesterol med. It cut my Christmas card list in half.😉 But the points in both posts ring true. I would read the bio of the former golf coach and wonder how he found the time to shepherd a D-1 program. It's funny, Paul Harney was before my time, but I heard alot about him as a kid and he was referred to with great admiration by older weekend golfers "Boy, you hit that one like Paul Harney" and the Holy Cross connection was often made. Thus, I always thought of Holy Cross as a strong Golf school where graduates can make the PGA tour. I hope the new coach and AD can start reclaiming the positive legacy of Holy Cross Golf. In practical terms I realize spending would need to be increased as one component of that. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2019 11:58:42 GMT -5
I believe this has to be the longest thread on HC golf in .Crossports history
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Post by alum on Jul 17, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2019 12:08:59 GMT -5
Scholarships mean different things to different people.
Partial scholarships are still scholarships
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Post by alum on Jul 17, 2019 12:10:19 GMT -5
Scholarships mean different things to different people. Partial scholarships are still scholarships Yup, but if its a partial, it is still more than they had in the past.  |
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Post by hcpride on Jul 17, 2019 12:54:03 GMT -5
Scholarships mean different things to different people. Partial scholarships are still scholarships Agreed. And to add, academic merit aid has been called a scholarship, financial aid has been called a scholarship, and assumptions that D-1 sports participation means an athletic scholarship has been called scholarships. And that has been the case for parents, kids, reporters, interested 3rd parties, and the general public. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2019 12:57:26 GMT -5
Especially high school coaches, at least on Long Island, in sports where there are few, if any, full scholarships, such as Lacrosse.
Some do this to draw very young athletes to their sport on an exclusive basis with the enticement to their parents of free college. Been going on for some years.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 17, 2019 13:00:16 GMT -5
Scholarships mean different things to different people. Partial scholarships are still scholarships Agreed. And to add, academic merit aid has been called a scholarship, financial aid has been called a scholarship, and assumptions that D-1 sports participation means an athletic scholarship has been called scholarships. And that has been the case for parents, kids, reporters, interested 3rd parties, and the general public. True. Many of us remember when hundreds of PL football recruits were said in various articles to be receiving football scholarships - even when the PL was a non-scholarship league. And many articles still claim that Ivy recruits have earned "scholarships" - in a league where not only aren't there athletic scholarships but there aren't even academic scholarships. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 17, 2019 13:02:31 GMT -5
Christian's (he's a southpaw) accomplishment speaks to the quality of his golf - there's usually at least 100 golfers with a maximum of a 3 handicap (?) that compete in these qualifiers. Our coach is obviously out there recruiting with the Luth (I understand there is a place to swing in the winter) and everything else the school has to offer. I'd be surprised if his budget has increased much. Or maybe this kid is just a good golfer from Massachusetts who liked Holy Cross and would have the opportunity to play D1 golf there? This article indicates that he first became aware of the school by visiting with his older brother a few years ago, then became more interested after taking a tour in the August summer prior to his Senior year. Hardly some vast recruiting strategy where the coach is building relationships during kids' Sophomore years and getting them to choose HC over other top programs because they can hit balls into a net inside during the Winter. www.itemlive.com/2019/03/27/st-marys-emmerich-commits-to-holy-cross/ |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 17, 2019 13:30:09 GMT -5
If there are more talented golfers coming to HC, is that happening by accident or does the coach have something to do with it?
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Post by alum on Jul 17, 2019 13:47:49 GMT -5
I have no doubt that the reporter could have jumped to a conclusion about a scholarship and nobody bothered to correct him, but it seems to me that the quality of this group would suggest that there is a little bit of money being spread around.
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