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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2019 12:55:08 GMT -5
Can either of our two incoming Michiganders be expected to hit 35% of his threes? Would it be fair to expect Reilly to do that.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 13:00:27 GMT -5
Drew L is the only scholarship point on the roster Agree. Going into the season with one point guard, experienced or not, is not a good situation. As much as we need an inside presence, the point guard situation has gone from being a real strength to a real question mark in the last few weeks. Let's say Lowder turns out to be the real deal for the sake of argument. Are you comfortable without having a true point guard to back him up? Yes, if it comes with a guaranteed healthy 32-35 mpg for the season.
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2019 13:05:50 GMT -5
Agree. Going into the season with one point guard, experienced or not, is not a good situation. As much as we need an inside presence, the point guard situation has gone from being a real strength to a real question mark in the last few weeks. Let's say Lowder turns out to be the real deal for the sake of argument. Are you comfortable without having a true point guard to back him up? Yes, if it comes with a guaranteed healthy 32-35 mpg for the season. That is quite a caveat.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 13:34:52 GMT -5
Yes, if it comes with a guaranteed healthy 32-35 mpg for the season. That is quite a caveat. Only the same as Green did his freshman year Played in all 31 games, averaged 33 healthy mpg
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2019 14:36:01 GMT -5
Only the same as Green did his freshman year Played in all 31 games, averaged 33 healthy mpg I think you can make the argument point guard is the most important position on the team. I would be much more comfortable going into the season with two rather than one. Ideally, they would be a couple of years apart as they were a month ago but I'd rather have two in the same class than a roster with one.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 14:39:10 GMT -5
We shall soon see if BN agrees. Reilly will have to be good enough to play or we will likely wait. If Yeutter or Wade can give us some serviceable minutes, we may even wait until ‘20-21
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2019 14:54:33 GMT -5
We shall soon see if BN agrees. Reilly will have to be good enough to play or we will likely wait. If Yeutter or Wade can give us some serviceable minutes, we may even wait until ‘20-21 Agree. Would opt for #2 rather than signing a kid who has little chance of playing in the next 4 years. Not saying that applies to Reilly as I know nothing about him.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 30, 2019 15:07:38 GMT -5
We've had years without a true second point guard--in fact, haven't we had years when we had no dyed-in-the-wool point guard and pressed an off guard into service? By that I mean
Kevin Hamilton, I think, as a freshman backed up the great Jave Meade in 2002-03. Jave gave us 34 minutes per game. Kevin, of course, was a great #2 guard
Torey Thomas, my favorite, was a great point guard--when Pat Doherty got hurt (05-06?) I don't know who gave TT his 3&1/2 minutes of bench rest per game
Andrew Beinert was really a shooting guard but was pressed into point guard duty for a couple of years--not ideal
This is in support of the suggestion that we can get by with 32-35 productive minutes from Drew Lowder each game. Lincoln Yeutter's predecessors DeVaughn Reid a G. Sanchez were productive walkons
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Post by lou on Jul 30, 2019 15:08:32 GMT -5
Clearly one of C Green's strengths was his ability to play at full speed for an entire game. Terrific conditioning
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 15:13:25 GMT -5
Clearly one of C Green's strengths was his ability to play at full speed for an entire game. Terrific conditioning Who ?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 15:17:04 GMT -5
We've had years without a true second point guard--in fact, haven't we had years when we had no dyed-in-the-wool point guard and pressed an off guard into service? By that I mean Kevin Hamilton, I think, as a freshman backed up the great Jave Meade in 2002-03. Jave gave us 34 minutes per game. Kevin, of course, was a great #2 guard Torey Thomas, my favorite, was a great point guard--when Pat Doherty got hurt (05-06?) I don't know who gave TT his 3&1/2 minutes of bench rest per game Andrew Beinert was really a shooting guard but was pressed into point guard duty for a couple of years--not ideal This is in support of the suggestion that we can get by with 32-35 productive minutes from Drew Lowder each game. Lincoln Yeutter's predecessors DeVaughn Reid a G. Sanchez were productive walkons Kevin had a terrific handle, was a very strong passer Beinert had played a lot of point in AAU. the Bigger risk than minimal back up time is injury to the primary point., esp serious injury.
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2019 15:37:36 GMT -5
We've had years without a true second point guard--in fact, haven't we had years when we had no dyed-in-the-wool point guard and pressed an off guard into service? By that I mean Kevin Hamilton, I think, as a freshman backed up the great Jave Meade in 2002-03. Jave gave us 34 minutes per game. Kevin, of course, was a great #2 guard Torey Thomas, my favorite, was a great point guard--when Pat Doherty got hurt (05-06?) I don't know who gave TT his 3&1/2 minutes of bench rest per game Andrew Beinert was really a shooting guard but was pressed into point guard duty for a couple of years--not ideal This is in support of the suggestion that we can get by with 32-35 productive minutes from Drew Lowder each game. Lincoln Yeutter's predecessors DeVaughn Reid a G. Sanchez were productive walkons I loved watching Jave Meade play. One of my favorite Crusaders of the last 50 years.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 15:54:37 GMT -5
We've had years without a true second point guard--in fact, haven't we had years when we had no dyed-in-the-wool point guard and pressed an off guard into service? By that I mean Kevin Hamilton, I think, as a freshman backed up the great Jave Meade in 2002-03. Jave gave us 34 minutes per game. Kevin, of course, was a great #2 guard Torey Thomas, my favorite, was a great point guard--when Pat Doherty got hurt (05-06?) I don't know who gave TT his 3&1/2 minutes of bench rest per game Andrew Beinert was really a shooting guard but was pressed into point guard duty for a couple of years--not ideal This is in support of the suggestion that we can get by with 32-35 productive minutes from Drew Lowder each game. Lincoln Yeutter's predecessors DeVaughn Reid a G. Sanchez were productive walkons I loved watching Jave Meade play. One of my favorite Crusaders of the last 50 years. Totally agree. And a terrific person also
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Post by bison137 on Jul 30, 2019 15:59:10 GMT -5
Bison I mostly agree with you. The CIAC has rules against recruiting that are probably impossible to enforce. To rein in the recruiting (some real, some imagined) at the schools of choice (mostly the Catholics and a few charter schools) they have tried to make things fairer. East Catholic is the prime example. It would be Class S in basketball and nobody wants that. East wants to play better competition and the small town teams want a chance to win a state title. There is no great answer. I think allowing schools to apply to be in a a super division is the best solution although it is far from ideal--especially with high school kids transferring to prep schools at the last minute after divsions have been set for the year. I wouldn't force anyone to move up. I would just publicly shame those who should but don't. I think Connecticut soccer has a much better system than basketball when it comes to grouping procedures. Unlike basketball, a public HS with a low enrollment usually plays other schools from small towns. It only moves up in class if it is consistently good over a few years, and it would have to have a long track record of excellence before it could ever get moved all the way up to the largest division (LL). Thus the small town that has a once-in-a-generation team doesn't get penalized. In soccer, the other rule for grouping teams is that schools that don't draw from an area with defined boundaries have their enrollment artificially doubled. That at least partly solves the problem of East Catholic or Trinity Catholic in the past completely dominating a pool of very tiny public high schools. As for the CIAC recruiting rules, yes they are hard to enforce. But what is frustrating is that there isn't any attempt at all - even in the most blatant cases. I only know Fairfield County, but I personally am familiar with soccer and basketball players who were recruited by non-public schools in blatant disregard for the rules. In two cases, the public schools had a good amount of evidence but opted not to pursue it because they had seen the CIAC ignore similar cases in the past. The system is much fairer in NY and NJ where public schools have their own brackets for the state tournament. A similar system has been introduced in Pennsylvania and will likely happen soon. In PA basketball, five of the six champs and five of the six runners-up were from non-public schools last year. The previous two years, five of the six champs were also non-public. Non-public includes charter and magnet schools as well as religious schools.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2019 16:29:55 GMT -5
If HC is willing, I see this as attractive for someone in Reilly's position. I assume the family would have to pay a certain amount for a year at Exeter and the downside would be, if for performance reasons or injury, next year the one offer from Jacksonville isn't there and he starts everything in life one year behind with a mountain of college loans.
If Reilly is willing and Jacob is gone, I see offering the scholarship as more attractive for HC than sitting on it. There is always the chance of injury, transfers out with a new coach (or any coach with the portal) and the new vocabulary word I learned on this board (Thanks BBC) miscreants. Hopefully only injury is a possibility but still as former Redskins Coach George Allen said: "The future is now."
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Post by HC92 on Jul 30, 2019 18:24:38 GMT -5
Bison I mostly agree with you. The CIAC has rules against recruiting that are probably impossible to enforce. To rein in the recruiting (some real, some imagined) at the schools of choice (mostly the Catholics and a few charter schools) they have tried to make things fairer. East Catholic is the prime example. It would be Class S in basketball and nobody wants that. East wants to play better competition and the small town teams want a chance to win a state title. There is no great answer. I think allowing schools to apply to be in a a super division is the best solution although it is far from ideal--especially with high school kids transferring to prep schools at the last minute after divsions have been set for the year. I wouldn't force anyone to move up. I would just publicly shame those who should but don't. I think Connecticut soccer has a much better system than basketball when it comes to grouping procedures. Unlike basketball, a public HS with a low enrollment usually plays other schools from small towns. It only moves up in class if it is consistently good over a few years, and it would have to have a long track record of excellence before it could ever get moved all the way up to the largest division (LL). Thus the small town that has a once-in-a-generation team doesn't get penalized. In soccer, the other rule for grouping teams is that schools that don't draw from an area with defined boundaries have their enrollment artificially doubled. That at least partly solves the problem of East Catholic or Trinity Catholic in the past completely dominating a pool of very tiny public high schools. As for the CIAC recruiting rules, yes they are hard to enforce. But what is frustrating is that there isn't any attempt at all - even in the most blatant cases. I only know Fairfield County, but I personally am familiar with soccer and basketball players who were recruited by non-public schools in blatant disregard for the rules. In two cases, the public schools had a good amount of evidence but opted not to pursue it because they had seen the CIAC ignore similar cases in the past. The system is much fairer in NY and NJ where public schools have their own brackets for the state tournament. A similar system has been introduced in Pennsylvania and will likely happen soon. In PA basketball, five of the six champs and five of the six runners-up were from non-public schools last year. The previous two years, five of the six champs were also non-public. Non-public includes charter and magnet schools as well as religious schools. My son’s Catholic school has about 225 boys in the whole school. They are Class S in soccer. My son’s team will play 9 games against LL teams, 4 against L teams and 1 against an S team. That’s going to add up to a lot of L’s. They’d get to play similar sized schools if they ever made the tournament but they really give themselves no chance to do so with that schedule and no recruiting.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 30, 2019 18:44:54 GMT -5
That brings up another point about Connecticut state tournament play. Entry into the state tournament and seeding is only done by record. If a Class S team faces much bigger schools constantly, they could theoretically be one of the top teams in their class and not even get into the tournament. Also by not looking at the quality of teams, as opposed to only W-L records, they sometimes end up with all of the top teams on one side of the bracket. That is particularly true in lacrosse, where nine of the top ten teams are usually from Fairfield County. Strong teams end up with poor seeds due to strength of schedule, while weak upstate teams get good seeds for the same reason. So the tournament sees things like #19 Wilton easily beating #3 Glastonbury in the first round. Or a 19-3 final in the largest class (L) another year.
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 30, 2019 20:10:38 GMT -5
In Mass, there are 4 divisions, and the state is broken into 4 districts (North, South {eastern Mass}, Central and West..The divisions are by enrollment of boys or girls in grades 9-12...A school has to win 50% of their games within their division...So a smaller school playing in a league with bigger schools can qualify by beating teams on its schedule from their division. It allows a school to schedule any team it wants to fill out a schedule without getting penalized...Teams are seeded by win/loss percentage in all Districts except Western Mass..they use a modified Walker system, each win is weighted by strength of schedule..This system works very well..It mostly eliminates the #19 easily beating the #3...
And in Mass there is not any recruiting...wink, wink..
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2019 20:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 30, 2019 21:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jul 31, 2019 7:28:52 GMT -5
I will take it slightly off topic. While looking for info on Reilly, I wandered across a reference to another CT kid. I think he has been prep school only so I had apparently missed him, but he sounds pretty good. www.verbalcommits.com/players/cairo-mccroryAnyone think we ought to recruit him? (To be clear, I am simply making a joke.)
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 31, 2019 8:54:33 GMT -5
Cairo McCrory is the son of Doug McCrory.
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Post by breezy on Aug 13, 2019 19:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 13, 2019 19:36:05 GMT -5
WOW, an early win for the 'Saders and Coach Nelson!!! ....Is he prepping a year or coming this fall?...
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 13, 2019 19:36:26 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, Joe.
He is the #22 ranked played in the 2019 class in CT and #70 in New England.
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