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Post by hchoops on Aug 11, 2016 20:37:54 GMT -5
Currently on Verbal Commits
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 11, 2016 20:46:36 GMT -5
Finkelstein liked the week
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 11, 2016 21:23:38 GMT -5
I don't ever recall a recruiting week like this before . . . . ever. Is this the equivalent in recruiting to winning 4 away games in the PL tournament followed by a first four win? Amazing stuff from this coaching staff.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 11, 2016 21:28:35 GMT -5
We will not be able to evaluate until they play. Remember Texeira's class. Still quite an achievement.
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Post by ts1970 on Aug 11, 2016 23:48:15 GMT -5
What was significant about Ron Texiera's class? I don't remember. I recall him leaving the team prior to the UCLA game at the Garden in order to concentrate more on his studies, and I also remember Ed Siudet (RIP), Keith Hochstein, and Stan Grayson from my time on the hill 66-70. What am I forgetting? Who belonged to which class, I could not tell you, but I don't think Stan Grayson and Keith Hochstein were in the same graduating class.
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Post by Xmassader on Aug 12, 2016 1:11:45 GMT -5
The incoming freshman class in '65-'66 consisted of Teixeira, Suidut, Gerry Foley, Chuck Mullane, Jimmy Moore and Joe Phelan. Was the #2 ranked freshman class in the country behind UCLA with Alcindor, Lucius Allen, Lynn Shackelford et al. and I believe finished something like 22-2 which led to the big hype for '66-'67 (my freshman year) where we started out 1-4 and finished 16-9 without a tournament bid. Hochstein, Stazinski & Murray were class of '68, the group mentioned above '69, Tony Barclay and Jackie Lahey '70, Bobby Kissane, Jackie Adams, Don Sasso, Peter Knapp and John Harlan '71, Stan Grayson and Buddy Venne (RIP) '72 and Gene Doyle, Jim Schnurr, Bruce Grentz and Kevin Stacom (who transferred to Providence after his sophomore year) '73. Lotta talent to never make the NCAA or NIT in CJD's tenure
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 12, 2016 5:24:24 GMT -5
We will not be able to evaluate until they play. Remember Texeira's class. Still quite an achievement. Verily, on all points. And not to rain on the parade, but from a perspective standpoint about how the world of basketball has changed. if the Texeira class was ranked #2 nationally back then, Kentucky is ranked #2 for the class of 2016, with five ***** recruits. 247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankingsI think the coaching staff has done remarkably well in getting commits for all five slots before the summer is over.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2016 6:24:16 GMT -5
Outstanding summary, XMass!
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Post by hc6774 on Aug 12, 2016 7:10:56 GMT -5
The incoming freshman class in '65-'66 consisted of Teixeira, Suidut, Gerry Foley, Chuck Mullane, Jimmy Moore and Joe Phelan. Was the #2 ranked freshman class in the country behind UCLA with Alcindor, Lucius Allen, Lynn Shackelford et al. and I believe finished something like 22-2 which led to the big hype for '66-'67 (my freshman year) where we started out 1-4 and finished 16-9 without a tournament bid. Hochstein, Stazinski & Murray were class of '68, the group mentioned above '69, Tony Barclay and Jackie Lahey '70, Bobby Kissane, Jackie Adams, Don Sasso, Peter Knapp and John Harlan '71, Stan Grayson and Buddy Venne (RIP) '72 and Gene Doyle, Jim Schnurr, Bruce Grentz and Kevin Stacom (who transferred to Providence after his sophomore year) '73. Lotta talent to never make the NCAA or NIT in CJD's tenure When this discussion comes up I recall the one that got away; Terry Driscoll to BC. It may be a myth but...
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 7:26:05 GMT -5
What was significant about Ron Texiera's class? I don't remember. I recall him leaving the team prior to the UCLA game at the Garden in order to concentrate more on his studies, and I also remember Ed Siudet (RIP), Keith Hochstein, and Stan Grayson from my time on the hill 66-70. What am I forgetting? Who belonged to which class, I could not tell you, but I don't think Stan Grayson and Keith Hochstein were in the same graduating class. Xmassader answered in usually accurate detail my point was that the Texeira class which was rated so highly did not achieve nearly the success hoped for by their high HS ratings thus we have to be cautious in getting too excited over our new recruits there are no 3 star players(however inaccurate that star system is)
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2016 8:20:34 GMT -5
We probably are forgetting that 6' 9" was really tall even for a center in those days (believe Hayes was 6'9" or 6' 10"). Lew, of course, set a new standard in altitude. I think that Ron and Ed were the main reasons for the high freshman class ranking/rating and Ron's dropping basketball to focus on his studies pretty much torpedoed that class' success. Ron never seemed to live up to his potential and that might have been because his focus always was on his studies to my understanding. I heard he really never liked basketball.
For those who never saw him play, the joke about Easy Ed was a very decent rebounder despite his vertical leap which was about 3". When you think of "white men can't jump,' that would have been Ed. But he seemed to know where the ball would come off the rim and be there before others. But, boy could he shoot!!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 12, 2016 8:29:43 GMT -5
The incoming freshman class in '65-'66 consisted of Teixeira, Suidut, Gerry Foley, Chuck Mullane, Jimmy Moore and Joe Phelan. Was the #2 ranked freshman class in the country behind UCLA with Alcindor, Lucius Allen, Lynn Shackelford et al. and I believe finished something like 22-2 which led to the big hype for '66-'67 (my freshman year) where we started out 1-4 and finished 16-9 without a tournament bid. Hochstein, Stazinski & Murray were class of '68, the group mentioned above '69, Tony Barclay and Jackie Lahey '70, Bobby Kissane, Jackie Adams, Don Sasso, Peter Knapp and John Harlan '71, Stan Grayson and Buddy Venne (RIP) '72 and Gene Doyle, Jim Schnurr, Bruce Grentz and Kevin Stacom (who transferred to Providence after his sophomore year) '73. Lotta talent to never make the NCAA or NIT in CJD's tenure When this discussion comes up I recall the one that got away; Terry Driscoll to BC. It may be a myth but... I heard we were also a finalist for Kevin Joyce
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 9:02:32 GMT -5
Not true about Kevin J. Kevin had gone to Jack Donohue's camp for a few years, and Jack and Kevin's coach, Jack Curran, were close. But we were never in it seriously with his recruitment
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 12, 2016 9:04:27 GMT -5
What was significant about Ron Texiera's class? I don't remember. I recall him leaving the team prior to the UCLA game at the Garden in order to concentrate more on his studies, and I also remember Ed Siudet (RIP), Keith Hochstein, and Stan Grayson from my time on the hill 66-70. What am I forgetting? Who belonged to which class, I could not tell you, but I don't think Stan Grayson and Keith Hochstein were in the same graduating class. Xmassader answered in usually accurate detail my point was that the Texeira class which was rated so highly did not achieve nearly the success hoped for by their high HS ratings thus we have to be cautious in getting too excited over our new recruits there are no 3 star players(however inaccurate that star system is) Those who say we have to wait and see how these receipts perform on the court before we can evaluate this class are quite correct. It seems a bit surprising then to see folks say we are not doing all that well because of the (often inaccurate) "Star" system."
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 9:10:25 GMT -5
Xmassader answered in usually accurate detail my point was that the Texeira class which was rated so highly did not achieve nearly the success hoped for by their high HS ratings thus we have to be cautious in getting too excited over our new recruits there are no 3 star players(however inaccurate that star system is) Those who say we have to wait and see how these receipts perform on the court before we can evaluate this class are quite correct. It seems a bit surprising then to see folks say we are not doing all that well because of the (often inaccurate) "Star" system." I guess I am that "those" and "folks" i do not see any contradiction between the two statements. We do have to wait and see. i never said "we are not doing all that well". In fact in a previous post I said we should be excited. But caution is necessary since although these players are good, none is rated particularly highly by the imperfect star rating or by other offers they turned down.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 12, 2016 9:28:05 GMT -5
Those who say we have to wait and see how these receipts perform on the court before we can evaluate this class are quite correct. It seems a bit surprising then to see folks say we are not doing all that well because of the (often inaccurate) "Star" system." I guess I am that "those" and "folks" i do not see any contradiction between the two statements. We do have to wait and see. i never said "we are not doing all that well". In fact in a previous post I said we should be excited. But caution is necessary since although these players are good, none is rated particularly highly by the imperfect star rating or by other offers they turned down. My use of your quote was to illustrate your point with which I agree, as I said at the start of my post. "not doing all that well" was not a quote from anyone, even you. I also agree that the "star" system is certainly inaccurate (with one or more stars suddenly appearing when a recruit commits to a top tier school - bestowing stars after the fact). If my post or wording was confusing, since I was not just referring to you, I apologize.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 12, 2016 10:01:50 GMT -5
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this is the most promising class of recruits Holy Cross has had in the PL era - or at least that's the time frame in which a debate on the subject is relevant. The discussion of "stars" in the 1960s vs. the last 25 years in HC history is a discussion of apples and oranges.
There have been very few 3-star recruits in PL history - maybe Bison137 can give us some info here. But for perspective, consider that both Mike Muscala and C.J. McCollum were 2-star kids when they committed.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 10:05:23 GMT -5
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this is the most promising class of recruits Holy Cross has had in the PL era - or at least that's the time frame in which a debate on the subject is relevant. The discussion of "stars" in the 1960s vs. the last 25 years in HC history is a discussion of apples and oranges. There have been very few 3-star recruits in PL history - maybe Bison137 can give us some info here. But for perspective, consider that both Mike Muscala and C.J. McCollum were 2-star kids when they committed. Simmons and Thomas were pretty promising, though Torey did not have Keith's high rating. Some, inc Tom Konchalski, thought highly of him.
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Post by dadominate on Aug 12, 2016 10:24:11 GMT -5
the best, albeit certainly imperfect, way to judge a recruiting class is other scholarship offers. this does not account for an eye for hidden gems - such as torey thomas - who end up becoming great college basketball players despite a lack of other offers.
that said, under the best possible method of evaluating a class, this is the best single recruiting class since the rw years and right up there with any single rw class. of course, having 5 players skews it, but this is a very solid class on paper that fills multiple needs (point guard especially, a fundamentally sound big, and lots of shooters).
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Post by possum on Aug 12, 2016 10:34:36 GMT -5
Yes Terry Driscoll was almost part of the Suidut/Texeira class but chose BC at last minute as things turned out would have been much better to get Driscoll over Texeira, another one that got away that hurt badly was Brian Adrian who committed then later chose to go to Davidson where he was a star
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 10:37:32 GMT -5
The RJ Evans/ Devin Brown class was pretty highly thought of. Devin was a lock down defender in HS
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2016 10:40:06 GMT -5
Yes Terry Driscoll was almost part of the Suidut/Texeira class but chose BC at last minute as things turned out would have been much better to get Driscoll over Texeira, another one that got away that hurt badly was Brian Adrian who committed then later chose to go to Davidson where he was a star I think that Brian did not actually commit to us, but he certainly was leaning our way. Crusader 1970 knows the details well
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Post by possum on Aug 12, 2016 11:00:59 GMT -5
I thought he had but could be wrong
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 12, 2016 13:16:12 GMT -5
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this is the most promising class of recruits Holy Cross has had in the PL era - or at least that's the time frame in which a debate on the subject is relevant. The discussion of "stars" in the 1960s vs. the last 25 years in HC history is a discussion of apples and oranges. There have been very few 3-star recruits in PL history - maybe Bison137 can give us some info here. But for perspective, consider that both Mike Muscala and C.J. McCollum were 2-star kids when they committed. Simmons and Thomas were pretty promising, though Torey did not have Keith's high rating. Some, inc Tom Konchalski, thought highly of him. He also was impressed by Tyrone Cohen, wasn't he?
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 12, 2016 15:45:56 GMT -5
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