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Post by alum on Sept 9, 2019 6:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 9, 2019 7:13:32 GMT -5
Well, I never thought of HC as being in a "suburban setting" but most of the description is accurate. It makes the Catholic identity of the college seem a bit more than it is. After all, the spiritual exercises and retreats (although very popular with students, faculty and alumni) are optional.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 9, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -5
Good news.
A five-way tie for 27th (along with Bryn Mawr, Colorado College, Kenyon College, and Soka University of America) in National Liberal Arts Colleges is a step in the right direction in the only rankings many parents/kids are aware of (not that it is decisive in application decisions). It is interesting and somewhat unique that our four named overlaps (BC, PC, Notre Dame and Fordham) are Catholic [none are LACs].
That mysterious Thomas Aquinas College (mentioned as tops in some category in some other poll) is five or six steps down at 35.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 9, 2019 8:37:40 GMT -5
In the UNWR national universities category, locals WPI was #64 and Clark #91. Eight other MA universities in the top 100 - Harvard #2, MIT #3, Tufts #29, BC #37, BU #40, Brandeis #40, Northeastern #40, and UMass-Amherst #64.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 9, 2019 8:56:49 GMT -5
In the past many have lamented a decline of several places--here we have a move up 8 places, so I should think that many would be celebrating. Can we tell right off the bat what element of the equation caused the big improvement? Will we now begin to speculate that TPTB have begun to "game the system"? This should be an interesting thread
I should also repeat what I've said in the past--in the half-dozen years that I represented HC at a large local college fair, meeting hundreds of students and parents, I never once saw anyone carrying the magazine, nor did I hear anyone mention USNWR or ask a question about HC's standing in the annual rankings....
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 9, 2019 8:59:49 GMT -5
Clearly it was our improvement with the head coaches of football and basketball.  (IT IS SIMPLY TOO SOON TO SAY IT WAS OUR WIN OVER UNH.  ) |
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Post by matunuck on Sept 9, 2019 9:34:01 GMT -5
High school guidance counselors and many others use the rankings (US News and the others) and at least in my conversations with parents/students most have already reviewed at least one ranking guidebook before they set foot at a college fair or may do so after for a school represented at the fair that they may not be familiar with. Anyone who believes HC can charge what it does and do a nose dive in these rankings has their head in the sand. The days of relying solely on what a school's PR department claims are over.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 9, 2019 9:36:09 GMT -5
Why? Isn't that where many of those polls come from (along with direct manipulation of reported stats)?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 9, 2019 10:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Sept 9, 2019 11:13:19 GMT -5
Why? Isn't that where many of those polls come from (along with direct manipulation of reported stats)? In some cases but not for a good chuck of the data. In terms of US News, I suggest looking at Bob Morse's discussion of their rankings and how they go about getting input etc. He runs their rankings pubs and offers substantive responses to complaints he hears. Agree or disagree with him he at least takes criticisms seriously and responds. Between US News, Washington Monthly, Kiplinger et these rankings, I believe, are very useful, in composite, in evaluating colleges. I'd much rather have all the rankings (with each having its flaws and strengths) than none at all. HC is very smart to pay attention to them and would be beyond foolish to not take them seriously. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 9, 2019 11:40:49 GMT -5
Looking at all the schools we tied with at 27th Place (Bryn Mawr, Colorado College, Kenyon College, and Soka University of America) I've gotta say that is an interesting and diverse five-college grouping. Soka? Next year let's make the jump to 27th alone.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 9, 2019 12:31:01 GMT -5
Of 223 LACs, Colgate is #17, Bucknell #35, Lafayette #39.
Of 399 national universities, Georgetown is #24, BostU #40, Villanova #46, Lehigh #50, WPI #64. Fordham #74, AU #77.
Of 179 regional universities in the 'North' section of the country (read Northeast), Providence #1, Fairfield #3, Loyola MD #4.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 9, 2019 12:40:19 GMT -5
What exactly makes us a "national" and PC for instance a "regional?" Honest query.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 9, 2019 12:58:15 GMT -5
What exactly makes us a "national" and PC for instance a "regional?" Honest query. Per the web site: "National Liberal Arts Colleges emphasize undergraduate education. To be included in this category, colleges must award at least 50 percent of their degrees in liberal arts disciplines, such as languages and literature, biology and life sciences, philosophy, cultural studies and psychology." |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 9, 2019 13:18:00 GMT -5
What exactly makes us a "national" and PC for instance a "regional?" Honest query. In some cases, the distinction appears somewhat arbitrary. Villanova, until recently, was regional, IIRC. Villanova is probably more than happy to be ranked nationally rather than #1 regionally. A major factor is the extent that the undergraduate student body is representative of a number of geographic regions. I believe all flagship state universities are considered national. ___________________________ HC's raw score was 81 out of 100. Colgate 86 of 100. Williams was 100 of 100. Villanova's raw score was 65 of 100. Georgetown 77 of 100. Dartmouth 89 of 100. UMass Dartmouth 34 of 100. The raw score applies to schools in the particular category, e.g., National Liberal Arts. I don't believe HC's raw score trumps GU, for example. |
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Sept 9, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -5
When Meat was a frosh, we were ranked 13 I think. Meat wants answers
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 9, 2019 16:07:29 GMT -5
When Meat was a frosh, we were ranked 13 I think. Meat wants answers I don't know how long ago that was, but I cannot recall HC ever being ranked higher than the low 20s or thereabouts. One change was the service academies are now included in the LACs, so that's three additional schools near the top of the rankings. Also, some of the smaller schools have become quite rich -- endowment wise -- and that has boosted them in the rankings. Pmona's endowment is now $2.3 billion. |
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Post by efg72 on Sept 9, 2019 19:09:33 GMT -5
Good news. A five-way tie for 27th (along with Bryn Mawr, Colorado College, Kenyon College, and Soka University of America) in National Liberal Arts Colleges is a step in the right direction in the only rankings many parents/kids are aware of (not that it is decisive in application decisions). It is interesting and somewhat unique that our four named overlaps (BC, PC, Notre Dame and Fordham) are Catholic [none are LACs]. That mysterious Thomas Aquinas College (mentioned as tops in some category in some other poll) is five or six steps down at 35. A far cry from what we should be imho and to me that means the staff isn’t doing its homework and the sales pitch isn’t working—too much of building a student body for at best a less than desired faculty |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 10, 2019 6:04:17 GMT -5
Why? Isn't that where many of those polls come from (along with direct manipulation of reported stats)? In some cases but not for a good chuck of the data. In terms of US News, I suggest looking at Bob Morse's discussion of their rankings and how they go about getting input etc. He runs their rankings pubs and offers substantive responses to complaints he hears. Agree or disagree with him he at least takes criticisms seriously and responds. Between US News, Washington Monthly, Kiplinger et these rankings, I believe, are very useful, in composite, in evaluating colleges. I'd much rather have all the rankings (with each having its flaws and strengths) than none at all. HC is very smart to pay attention to them and would be beyond foolish to not take them seriously. here is the link to the detailed discussion of the metrics. www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankingsUSN&WR no longer polls high school guidance counselors for its reputational rankings. Spending on athletics doesn't count, this penalizes HC as HC spends disproportionately so much of its budget on athletics. I expect the new emphasis on student outcomes (35 percent) helps HC because of its high retention and graduation rates, including rates for Pell awardees. The competitiveness of admissions now only counts for 10 percent. I am quite certain it is impossible to compare rankings of 10, 20, or more years ago with current rankings because of the profound changes in methodology. As to how a school is classified as national liberal arts, it is not done by USN&WR, but by Carnegie. USN&WSR follows Carnegie's classification. carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/index.php |
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Post by matunuck on Sept 10, 2019 14:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 14, 2019 14:54:06 GMT -5
I never heard of Soda. Who do they play?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 14, 2019 15:56:18 GMT -5
I never heard of Soda. Who do they play? Soka has only 400+ students. They don't play enough sports to be NCAA, e.g., only four men's sports, so an NAIA school. |
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