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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2019 9:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 24, 2019 10:46:42 GMT -5
Yep, a red-race from embarrassment should be the right level of punishment:
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Post by alum on Oct 28, 2019 8:44:18 GMT -5
Yep, a red-race from embarrassment should be the right level of punishment: Assuming you were being sarcastic, I don't think you understand the point Hurley is trying to make here. He is right about the real punishment here. The kid isn't going to jail for this, not because he is a UCONN athlete, but because no 18 year old goes to jail for this. He will likely get a diversionary program in court and the case will be dismissed a year from now. UCONN will put him on some sort of campus probation and require him to complete a program as they do with all students who have these kind of issues. He will likely be suspended for a few games and then he will come back to the team. Hurley is right, however, to try and impress on the kid that the damage to his reputation and the embarrassment he has brought to his family, his university and his team is a stain that is not easily removed. Sader, I don't know what kind of punishment you think is appropriate, but I don't like the idea of exacting serious punishment on kids (and I think college students are kids) for things like this. Go to any low level criminal court and you will find it filled with 18 to 30 year old guys in trouble because of girls, cars and booze. If you eliminate those cases, you could have court only a couple days of week. Think of this case in a different way. If Bouknight was your kid working in a first job at a bank and he got popped for DUI, would you think he should be fired?
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Post by dadominate on Oct 28, 2019 9:07:59 GMT -5
this is not "just" dui in the example and not the typical open container/drunk and disorderly type of arrest that pervade low level criminal court.
this guy crashed a car while driving drunk and fled the police on foot after trying to start the car to get away. real punishment is in order.
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Post by rf1 on Oct 28, 2019 9:44:33 GMT -5
Uconn prefers to punish its basketball players AFTER their eligibility is over.
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Post by alum on Oct 28, 2019 9:57:36 GMT -5
Certainly, Hurley's light slap on the wrist and faux concern for the player might encourage further incidents among some on the team. People can differ as to the appropriate consequences. My suggestions: Suspension from the team for at least the first semester; (I don't have a problem with this, personally but I am not sure what Hurley will do. I am going to the exhibition game against St. Mike's on Wednesday. I'll look for him.) Confinement to the campus with close monitoring of the student with a set timetable of daily check-ins for the entire school year; ( basketball players check in every day at practice. Confinement to campus sounds a bit excessive to me.) One on one supervision of his classwork with strict academic standards for the entire school year; (First year basketball players at UCONN are certainly subject to this already.) Also: Enrollment in a Driver Safety Course and required enrollment in an alcohol/drug rehab program. ( When he gets a diversionary program, there will be a drug/alcohol evaluation. Since he doesn't have a license, the driver safety course is unlikely. The Student Life probation will require a similar evaluation with possible requirements for ongoing session with college staff.) Finally, I would have expected words about remorse and shame to have come from the student rather than from some coach, whatever his true motives (There is a pending court case. If there was a statement, you wouldn't like it because it would be a non apology apology. If he applies for a diversionary program, he will make such a statement then.). LoveHC As I tried to convey above, whatever the penalties are, they will be done by the end of 2020. If UCONN expels him, we all know somebody else will pick him up. On the other hand, this story will be on the internet forever. In the long run, that will likely be the biggest problem. Someday, he will have to explain it to his own children. I think Hurley is right.
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2019 10:12:11 GMT -5
One on one supervision of his classwork with strict academic standards for the entire school year; (First year basketball players at UCONN are certainly subject to this already.)So the athlete actually has to be present when his "tutor" is doing his assignments
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 28, 2019 10:12:27 GMT -5
alum, while it took you awhile to respond to my post, I think you recognized correctly that I was being sarcastic.
The subsequent posts after yours pretty well sums up my thoughts. Of course the kid should be embarrassed. The point here is that Hurley and UConn give slaps on the wrist for their athletes. Calhoun was the same way. My criticism is directed more at the institution than the athlete who hopefully WILL be embarrassed and learn a life lesson from this. He could have killed someone - that's serious. Felicity Huffman just spent 11 days in jail and no one had any potential for getting hurt. And we've heard from many defense lawyers thinking she got off too lightly.
To be clear, I was not trying to imply this kid (yes, he's a kid) should spend time in jail for this episode but sure as heck should be suspended at least a semester, if not an entire academic year. If you think that's too harsh and his embarrassment is sufficient, let's just agree to disagree.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 28, 2019 20:33:35 GMT -5
My post was not narrowly about consequences/punishment. I view this incident as an opportunity to truly help the student to look at his actions and the dangers they may have posed to others andante himself as well as resulting in consequences for his immature and dangerous behavior. Also, my suggestions were meant to help the student get off to a good start in the classroom as well as deal with any substance abuse/alcohol issues. I did not call for his expulsion as I think that could possibly help send him down the road of personal destruction after this one incident. I do hope for a positive outcome for this young man. We don't know that the internet or explaining this will be his biggest problem. I find Hurley's words unconvincing and self serving. I have no opinions on UCONN athletics nor do I follow their teams. And, I do LoveHC Well at least since George retired... one of the best people God shared with us
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Post by sader81 on Oct 29, 2019 6:03:27 GMT -5
I deal with these cases every day. I assume he’s eligible for three diversionary programs - the alcohol education program, accelerated rehabilitation, and the under 21 diversionary program. He’ll probably apply for the first two, and absent objection from the victims, they are routinely granted. He’ll be put on probation for probably one year, maybe two, attend alcohol education class, perform community service, give restitution for the damages and be ordered not to drive without license, registration and insurance. If he successfully completes the programs, the charges are dismissed. The only caveat is that a few years back, the Rockville prosecutor’s office had almost zero tolerance policy against UConn students. They can object, but the programs are in the court’s discretion. As for the teams penalties, I’m sure this kid will be in the best shape of all on the team after completing weeks of sprinting routines.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 29, 2019 6:20:58 GMT -5
But will he be suspended ? And if so, for how long ?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 29, 2019 7:35:41 GMT -5
This is not an issue for us to speculate, other than alum the lawyer and 81 the judge, about criminal/civil penalties. However, the majority of us are speaking to athletic/academic penalties that will or will not be imposed by the coach and university. That is certainly within the arena for us on a sports board.
This all remains to be seen.
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Post by alum on Nov 8, 2019 9:50:18 GMT -5
Hurley suspended him for the first three regular-season games. He also didn't play in a scrimmage against Harvard or in the exhibition game against St. Mike's. He applied for accelerated rehabilitation in court and returns there on November 18 at which time the judge will act on the application.
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Post by alum on Feb 10, 2020 15:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 10, 2020 19:38:48 GMT -5
Not a big fan of UConn but I think the title of this thread is crass.
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Post by alum on Jul 30, 2021 4:46:54 GMT -5
The programs that the legislature, the courts, the University, and Dan Hurley put in place worked. James Bouknight was a first round draft choice last night.
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