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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2019 16:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2019 16:32:03 GMT -5
This game has shades of HC v. Arizona in the late 90s.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2019 16:35:41 GMT -5
Perhaps Maryland’s and Arizona’s personnel are similar, but Arizona’s coach was better than Maryland’s.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2019 16:46:07 GMT -5
Turgeon vs. Lute won’t matter much. Roll the ball out there with no coach and it’s still a lopsided victory for the other team.
I also think Turgeon gets a bit of a bad rap.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2019 16:55:38 GMT -5
They are both good recruiters, but Olsen had much more success than Turgeon. Winning percentage-.736 and a national championship to .631 and two sweet 16s
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2019 16:59:48 GMT -5
They are both good recruiters, but Olsen had much more success than Turgeon. Winning percentage-.736 and a national championship to .631 and two sweet 16s Lute had most of his success when he was 60+. Turgeon is in his mid-50s. Who knows what’s to come for the rest of Turgeon’s career.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2019 17:14:05 GMT -5
They are both good recruiters, but Olsen had much more success than Turgeon. Winning percentage-.736 and a national championship to .631 and two sweet 16s Lute had most of his success when he was 60+. Turgeon is in his mid-50s. Who knows what’s to come for the rest of Turgeon’s career. In his 40s when at Long Beach State and Iowa, Olson had a .673 WP with a final four and a sweet 16; and greater success after the rebuild at Iowa. While in his 50s at Arizona he had two sweet 16s and a final four.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 3, 2019 17:31:22 GMT -5
Turgeon vs. Lute won’t matter much. Roll the ball out there with no coach and it’s still a lopsided victory for the other team. I also think Turgeon gets a bit of a bad rap. A decent recruiter Not considered a decent game coach The Board has him on a very short leash-according to my brother-in-law who is on the board
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2019 17:34:58 GMT -5
Maryland fans / alums have never liked Turgeon.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 3, 2019 17:39:57 GMT -5
He came in as the second coming of Lefty and a cleaned up version of Gary
He is not the second coming and isn’t in the same coaching category as either
If this was next year I would take HC in an upset
On Tuesday I just want us to play hard for 40 minutes
Will be going to the game and we should have a good turnout. Hope to see dadominate and all others from the region
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Post by hchoops on Nov 3, 2019 17:51:39 GMT -5
He came in as the second coming of Lefty and a cleaned up version of Gary Based on his previous record, who would have touted him as such, besides him and his agent ? a .580 coach at Wichita State a 700 , .594 Big 12 (looks like he scheduled many cupcakes)slate at Texas A&M, no success in the NCAA Tourney. Losses in three rounds of 32, one in the round of 64 Highest conf standing—tied for second.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 3, 2019 18:05:34 GMT -5
Larry Brown may have touted him that.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 3, 2019 18:15:38 GMT -5
It was a desired outcome supported by the media and Md Athletics
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Post by lou on Nov 3, 2019 20:08:37 GMT -5
Big10 network+ $9.95 for one month of Maryland games
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 3, 2019 21:28:33 GMT -5
Big10 network+ $9.95 for one month of Maryland games WEEI it is!!
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Post by sader81 on Nov 4, 2019 7:02:45 GMT -5
Big10 network+ $9.95 for one month of Maryland games Do you have a link for that?
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Post by lou on Nov 4, 2019 7:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on Nov 4, 2019 7:46:28 GMT -5
They are both good recruiters, but Olsen had much more success than Turgeon. Winning percentage-.736 and a national championship to .631 and two sweet 16s Lute had most of his success when he was 60+. Turgeon is in his mid-50s. Who knows what’s to come for the rest of Turgeon’s career. nobody knows for sure... but those of us who have followed turgeon at maryland expect him to excel in recruiting (his strong suit) with his teams having a handful of unexplicable losses to less talented teams every year, zero in-game adjustments, and early flame outs in the postseason. knowing your style sov, i'm really surprised you would defend turgeon as he is widely known as a strong recruiter and a poor game coach. as evidenced by uninspiring records relative to other coaches in the programs he's led. agree with hoops and efg on this one, he's certainly no lefty or gw (though also no bob wade!) and another early loss in the big10 tourney and the seemingly annual early ncaa tournament loss and turgeon will find himself very firmly on the hot seat. he already is on the hot seat with most maryland fans. i'm giving him one more year before i join the throngs that think he will never bring maryland beyond the sweet 16, and the one time he made it that far was an absolute gift due to injury/a first round upset. that said, the talent discrepancy tomorrow night will be off the charts so i would be happy if we compete, play tough, and keep the score respectable. american has played maryland relatively tough in the past under turgeon (au lost by just 6 at maryland last time they played aueagles.com/news/2016/11/11/11_11_2016_2502.aspx) and i would be thrilled with one of those types of outcomes.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 4, 2019 8:09:00 GMT -5
Don't think Turge is all that great, dado, just don't think he's as bad as some say. He's gone to the NCAAT four of the past five years, winning four games in these trips.
I think the problem with Maryland hoops is that program lost a lot of the cache they had with GW and in the ACC. They don't have the pizzazz it once had in the ACC competing against schools like Duke, UNC, UVA, et al. You know better than I being in the area, but Maryland basketball feels like a middling Big Ten team with zero buzz. I'm sure part of this can be attributed to the coach, who is self-admittedly a soft-spoken guy unlike his predecessor. Something tells me Turgeon would be happier back at Wichita St where he can fly under the radar.
Who are some names that have been floated if Turgeon is fired?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 4, 2019 8:17:43 GMT -5
An 89-41 loss in 1998 (12/28) to the #8 ranked Terrapins with a Raynor coached team.
Not sure your point. Are you equating Nelson with Raynor? I see Maryland is pre-season ranked #7/#8. Is that your point?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 4, 2019 8:24:05 GMT -5
An 89-41 loss in 1998 (12/28) to the #8 ranked Terrapins with a Raynor coached team. Not sure your point. Are you equating Nelson with Raynor? I see Maryland is pre-season ranked #7/#8. Is that your point? Not making any parallel between HCBN and FHCBR. Just saying that this score is probably going to be very lopsided against a top 10 team.
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2019 10:13:17 GMT -5
An 89-41 loss in 1998 (12/28) to the #8 ranked Terrapins with a Raynor coached team. Not sure your point. Are you equating Nelson with Raynor? I see Maryland is pre-season ranked #7/#8. Is that your point? 1) Coach Raynor was in his 5th year. FWIW that means his own recruits and everyone basically knows the system. Coach Nelson is still just starting the transition in his first game 2) Coach Raynor had two scholarship players that day - both freshmen (I believe McKeever was already done for the year). HC currently has 12 scholarship players - 5 freshmen who have never played a game Point 1 saying that it's not fair to compare Coach Nelson on day 1 to Coach Raynor in year 5. Point 2 because we don't want to let incomplete information give false impressions. ------------------------------ My guess is the original point was that both HC sqauds were not prepared to step in with the big boys and it might be ugly
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Post by hchoops on Nov 4, 2019 10:37:32 GMT -5
An 89-41 loss in 1998 (12/28) to the #8 ranked Terrapins with a Raynor coached team. Not sure your point. Are you equating Nelson with Raynor? I see Maryland is pre-season ranked #7/#8. Is that your point? 1) Coach Raynor was in his 5th year. FWIW that means his own recruits and everyone basically knows the system. Coach Nelson is still just starting the transition in his first game 2) Coach Raynor had two scholarship players that day - both freshmen (I believe McKeever was already done for the year). HC currently has 12 scholarship players - ------------------------------ I believe with 3 scholarship players entering next year and only one graduating, we currently have 11 scholarship players.
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2019 11:32:51 GMT -5
I believe with 3 scholarship players entering next year and only one graduating, we currently have 11 scholarship players. - Doesn't alter my point that there's all kinds of differences between today and 1998 that we shouldn't be reading into the relative qualities of Coach Nelson and Coach Raynor - We certainly have received what seems like conflicting information about headcounts. Since we know about the three incoming players based on tweets, not unlike the ones from Lovisolo or Yeutter, are we certain they're all on scholarship?. If all three are on scholarship, who is the current player that we have assumed was on scholarship but really isn't? Coach Carmody had four scholarships for this year's freshmen and signed four kids - is one a walk -on and he kept one scholarship in his pocket? Is it possible that one of our juniors had a lot of AP credits combined with some summer classes and is planning on graduating early, thus freeing up a third scholarship for next year? we are missing some piece of the puzzle. You may be right, there might only be 11. There might be 12. Unless you know something I don't, we really don't know for sure. For what it's worth, I'm guessing we actually kind of have 13 scholarships and that one of the walk-ons (Lovisolo, Hart, Yeutter, or potential mystery guy) are enjoying a one year gift of Grandison's scholarship, but will return to walk-on status next year. DISCLAIMER: Before I hear from our friend from Lewisburg, this is a guess assuming that such wouldn't violate any NCAA rule
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Post by hchoops on Nov 4, 2019 11:42:41 GMT -5
My guess is that Sandy is a walk on and that the three incoming players are all on scholarship They all had multiple offers, so it would be very surprising that they do not have scholarships.
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