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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2019 11:06:06 GMT -5
...and will need to understand that he comes with strengths and with baggage.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 16, 2019 12:27:17 GMT -5
This country could use more Tom Gilmore’s. To be Defensive Coordinators....
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 16, 2019 16:57:14 GMT -5
...and will need to understand that he comes with strengths and with baggage. Being tough and demanding is not “baggage.”
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Post by hc87 on Nov 16, 2019 16:59:08 GMT -5
TG better beat the Pards next week at home....just sayin', could get ugly at Lehigh
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2019 18:36:25 GMT -5
...and will need to understand that he comes with strengths and with baggage. Being tough and demanding is not “baggage.” Neither is baggage and I do not think that anyone said either one was...except perhaps for you. However, alienating assistants and creating a revolving door for them is baggage. Finding ways to lose close games in the final minutes is also not a strength. And, his intensity of expression does not endear him to everyone. Enough?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 16, 2019 18:49:30 GMT -5
While TG’s last game was a disaster on many levels I don’t think any of those of us who watched it will forget Yale’s gracious sportsmanship as they bent over backwards to avoid running up the score.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2019 19:27:36 GMT -5
Being tough and demanding is not “baggage.” Neither is baggage and I do not think that anyone said either one was...except perhaps for you. However, alienating assistants and creating a revolving door for them is baggage. Finding ways to lose close games in the final minutes is also not a strength. And, his intensity of expression does not endear him to everyone. Enough? Alienating assistants? What are you talking about? When you refer to “baggage” — what are you talking about?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2019 19:30:53 GMT -5
I guess you did not read what I posted - the post you quoted. I thought it explained it pretty clearly there. Coach TG is a man with areas of strength and some areas where he falls a bit short. If you don't remember, you might want to go back over his last few seasons and see what was posted about those shortcomings on CROSSPORTS.
On second thought, never mind. I doubt you really want your question answered. Coach Gilmore is clearly a coach with only strengths who would be an asset for any school lucky enough to have him., He would certainly, with those strengths, never be let go by anyone, would he?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2019 19:32:39 GMT -5
I read your post.
I’d contend you don’t really know what you’re talking about. I’m willing to bet you never met or spoke to TG.
Carry on.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2019 19:36:32 GMT -5
I read your post. I’d contend you don’t really know what you’re talking about. I’m willing to bet you never met or spoke to TG. Carry on. You lose that bet. I met him several times and had back and forth email him regularly - even after his awful termination when he still, clearly bled Purple. Thank you for sharing your contention with me. In fact, you are absolutely wrong and it lets me dismiss anything you post in the future if it is based on such erroneous information and opinion. Carry on.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2019 19:39:43 GMT -5
Well then you’re misinformed. He didn’t alienate assistants. If he did as you say, why would a number of them follow him to Lehigh?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 16, 2019 19:43:21 GMT -5
Once again, go back and read the posts about TG and his staff that appeared on CROSSPORTS. Are you only looking at the assistants he had under him in his last season? I assume you knew there were others in previous seasons who moved on...or were you unaware of that? He did not alienate all assistants and had strong relationships with some of them. What is your point?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 16, 2019 20:12:30 GMT -5
Being tough and demanding is not “baggage.” Neither is baggage and I do not think that anyone said either one was...except perhaps for you. However, alienating assistants and creating a revolving door for them is baggage. Finding ways to lose close games in the final minutes is also not a strength. And, his intensity of expression does not endear him to everyone. Enough? Two assistants left jobs with Chesney to go work for him at Lehigh. They must be lunatics, huh? Holy Cross pays assistant coaches peanuts, and it is a stepping stone job. As a matter of fact, four of Chesney’s 10 assistants left last after one season with him. Is 40% of the staff departing below your definition of a revolving door?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 16, 2019 20:22:19 GMT -5
Two words: Mike Pedone
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 17, 2019 9:38:02 GMT -5
This country could use more Tom Gilmore’s. To be Defensive Coordinators.... Says the JV girls tennis coach.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 17, 2019 9:49:38 GMT -5
If Crossports had a “Delete this Thread” option, I would absolutely use it here.
Let’s move on, gents.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 17, 2019 10:03:11 GMT -5
Two things:
1) As someone who manages 15 direct reports at work, Tom Gilmore is literally the guy I model myself after leadership-wise. Within the boundaries of 2019 workplace etiquette and HR guidelines of course
2) I hope TG's defense smothers Lafayette to the tune of <100 total yards for good measure while we take Georgetown to the woodshed.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 17, 2019 10:40:50 GMT -5
To be Defensive Coordinators.... Says the JV girls tennis coach. Ouch burn....and it's 'Varsity Boys Tennis, JV Boys hoop for the record Of course guys here are going to defend their former coach....l would expect nothing less and glad to see that they are here. Gilmore, from nearly all accounts, is a very upstanding, solid guy in every way. But, from any objective level, his tenure had reached a plateau at HC and had started to decline.. It was time for a change for both parties. The way it was done was bad, but it was something that probably should have been done a couple years beforehand.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 17, 2019 11:42:19 GMT -5
Says the JV girls tennis coach. Ouch burn....and it's 'Varsity Boys Tennis, JV Boys hoop for the record Of course guys here are going to defend their former coach....l would expect nothing less and glad to see that they are here. Gilmore, from nearly all accounts, is a very upstanding, solid guy in every way. But, from any objective level, his tenure had reached a plateau at HC and had started to decline.. It was time for a change for both parties. The way it was done was bad, but it was something that probably should have been done a couple years beforehand. I've been checking with your former players to get a baseline for you. So far, you're being held in high esteem by the early respondents....
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Post by sader81 on Nov 17, 2019 14:08:44 GMT -5
Oddly enough, I went out for a bite to eat solo Friday night, and sat at the bar. Sitting next to me was one of TG’s former assistants. He is still involved in coaching. Remembering this thread, I asked him about TG. He liked him; however said he was not easy to work for. It was his way or the highway, and he had a pretty good temper. Told some tales of his going off on assistants for ridiculous reasons. Some just could not work with him, he could. I met TG on several occasions and found him to be a nice guy, someone you could have a beer with! He obviously knows the game, and clearly was able to motivate some, but not all of his players. The job is all about Ws and Ls, and he fell short there. He should have been let go after the Yankee Stadium debacle.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 17, 2019 17:39:35 GMT -5
81 pretty much "nails it."
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Post by nplang08 on Nov 17, 2019 20:04:55 GMT -5
With all due respect to those commenting on this, I welcome sharing that my views on this thread range from comical to pathetic to classless. Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinions but I might guess that many posting here were not at the post-game reception on the field at Goodman Stadium after HC knocked off Lehigh. You would have witnessed dozens of Crusaders (many of whom drove 5-6 hours) who played for CTG embrace him and have numerous group photos taken with him. I commented on how special this scene was. The show of strong mutual respect was admirable by all involved. Perhaps you also missed the fact that after that gathering, where did TG then head to? By invitation to attend the HC Parents post-game tailgate and further embrace those current Crusaders who played for him and more photo ops many of which I have seen. Lots of smiles and bear hugs. TG may have some shortcomings -- as we all do -- but to take shots at an individual who bled Purple in the fashion that he did and give more airtime to situations at his current school that we likely have no specifics on . . . .well . . . wow . . . comical, pathetic, classless. More than a small handful of current and former HC staff have told me that TG was one of the most well liked and respected individuals on campus. I acknowledge that TG could wear people out given his manic intensity but there have been dozens of parents (including some current parents) who have told me that TG "delivered exactly what he told us when sitting in our living room or in his office." I welcome sharing the following comment shared with me from a Crusader who played for TG: "I came to Holy Cross an overconfident if not downright cocky 18 year old. Four years later TG had made me a man." I can kind of piggyback off of this by saying playing 5 years under CTG was what made me the person I am today. I wasn’t a starter or even touched the field that often, but even so I chose to take a grey shirt for a fifth year after an injury my freshman year, to play with the guys next to me and under CTG for that last year. He always treated me fairly and the yelling/swearing never really bothered me. He and the coaching staff were truly what made me wake up and realize I needed to be tougher to stand up in the real world. I have a great career now that took a lot of dedication to get into and I credit my time at the cross and CTG for building that foundation. As the camp T-shirts said, CTG taught me to “rub some dirt on it”.
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Post by purplepig on Nov 17, 2019 20:22:56 GMT -5
Why was he fired during the season? Maybe I missed the definitive post on this. That was very odd for HC.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 17, 2019 21:04:58 GMT -5
/\ There was no definitive post on it and since I was not at the Yale game I don’t know the specifics first hand.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 17, 2019 21:30:22 GMT -5
Despite how unfortunate the mid season termination was it was handled much better by all concerned than the mid season departure of former WBB Coach BG. I feel good about RGS's post that he was able to email TG after his termination. Compare that to the "No Trespass" order served on BG.
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