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Post by purple1 on Nov 18, 2019 11:25:36 GMT -5
I was there at the Yale game.....it was clearly obvious TG had lost control of the team. An uninspiring performance at best was given that day by the football team. Circumstances during the season led to this fateful day, which was justified in my opinion and others who were in attendance at the Yale Bowl. It would have been viewed differently if action was taken after the Fordham game, which I agree should have been enacted. We wish TG nothing but the best and let's move forward with a new enthusiasm around Coach Chesney who seems to have headed in the right direction.....
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 18, 2019 15:22:44 GMT -5
Coach Gilmore left HC 2+ years ago. The topic of TG's time at HC has been discussed ad nauseam. So many on this board after kicking him then wish him well. I get it: "Our thoughts and prayers are with TG." I know, I don't have to read these posts. Free country, free speech, etc. Shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on TG at HC? Are future generations going to be relitigating TG's coaching in 50 years along with Jack Donohue's tenure which would be 100 years past? LoveHC Coach Gilmore left HC 2+ years ago.
funny, i heard that it was the other way around! Shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on TG at HC?
so you think that TG can still file an action for wrongful termination, negligent and intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel, slander, injunctive relief, etc?
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 18, 2019 16:34:15 GMT -5
and loss of consortium
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2019 19:20:54 GMT -5
Tom Gilmore appeared gracious upon ending his tenure as the Head Coach. His departure while I am sure was painful to him and his family, did not publicly appear acrimonious. His display, not bad mouthing the HC administration, probably provided a smooth path and recommendations to current employment as a head coach.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 18, 2019 19:28:50 GMT -5
A nail in the coffin regarding a former employee requesting a recommendation to a future employer..
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 18, 2019 19:50:11 GMT -5
FOUR pages.
Thanks a million for this thread 'haze.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 18, 2019 23:51:25 GMT -5
FOUR pages. Thanks a million for this thread 'haze. FOUR pages going once... FOUR pages going twice... SOLD TO THE POSTER WEARING THE "COACH" t-shirt!!!
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2019 7:28:16 GMT -5
I was there at the Yale game.....it was clearly obvious TG had lost control of the team. An uninspiring performance at best was given that day by the football team. Circumstances during the season led to this fateful day, which was justified in my opinion and others who were in attendance at the Yale Bowl. It would have been viewed differently if action was taken after the Fordham game, which I agree should have been enacted. We wish TG nothing but the best and let's move forward with a new enthusiasm around Coach Chesney who seems to have headed in the right direction..... I saw the game on TV and observed the same HC team performance on the field. Was there a particular event during the game that took place that might have been the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of the unusual Sunday firing?
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Post by Tom on Nov 19, 2019 9:04:03 GMT -5
Are future generations going to be relitigating TG's coaching in 50 years along with Jack Donohue's tenure which would be 100 years past? If past actions of this board can accurately predict the future, the answer is "yes"
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 9:14:58 GMT -5
pride, I was at the game. The straw that broke the camels back was the team getting off the bus at the Yale Bowl. I have singled out the offensive line in particular. My impression was, and that’s all it is, was it was not that they were unprepared for the game, they were mentally and physically absent.
The distinct impression was they were purposely tanking the game for whatever reason. Yale was not that much better as a team.
Having watched most games in person over the years, while I could not prove this, there apparently was a similar impression by the AD. I would think the AD spoke to at least some of the players after the game which may have sealed the deal as he was at the game.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 19, 2019 10:12:30 GMT -5
pride, I was at the game. The straw that broke the camels back was the team getting off the bus at the Yale Bowl. I have singled out the offensive line in particular. My impression was, and that’s all it is, was it was not that they were unprepared for the game, they were mentally and physically absent. The distinct impression was they were purposely tanking the game for whatever reason. Yale was not that much better as a team. Having watched most games in person over the years, while I could not prove this, there apparently was a similar impression by the AD. I would think the AD spoke to at least some of the players after the game which may have sealed the deal as he was at the game. The distinct impression was they were purposely tanking the game for whatever reason.
i'm not questioning the validity but this is trully the saddest comment i have heard about crusader football!!!
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Post by timholycross on Nov 19, 2019 10:17:07 GMT -5
I'd have thought there would have been more Gibbons loyalists than Gilmore loyalists, but you can't tell that from this board. Gibbons folks have seemingly moved on.
Maybe it's all about the way he departed versus the way Tom did (with a lot more class). Or the lawsuit. Or any number of other reasons.
Or simply that Bill's backers are mostly women (who played for him) and it doesn't seem like women post here.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 10:30:56 GMT -5
Moose, you are more aware of how football players were able to get rid of another “Tom” head coach. Different methodology, same results.
A major caveat. I don’t know what the facts were at Yale other than an impression that seems to have been borne out by the subsequent termination mid-season of coach Gilmore.
However, the Yale debacle was not unlike the Yankee Stadium Fordham game. It was a lack of team effort. You will never convince me that either Fordham or Yale were that much better than those Crusader teams and say what you will about Gilmore, he knew what to expect from an opponent.
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Post by Tom on Nov 19, 2019 10:36:39 GMT -5
I'd have thought there would have been more Gibbons loyalists than Gilmore loyalists, but you can't tell that from this board. Gibbons folks have seemingly moved on. Maybe it's all about the way he departed versus the way Tom did (with a lot more class). Or the lawsuit. Or any number of other reasons. Or simply that Bill's backers are mostly women (who played for him) and it doesn't seem like women post here. I think Coach Gibbons had more ardent loyalists than Coach Gilmore, and not strictly women. However, outside the state of CT, no one is overly passionate about women's basketball. Sports fans care about football, even in the low FCS league
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 10:39:02 GMT -5
tim, I know there are many posters here who felt TG should have been fired because of a number of reasons with the main one being “you are what your record says you are” (I disagree with this philosophy).
With 20/20 hindsight some may be second guessing themselves that the termination should have either been at the end of the season (the remainder of the season wasn’t much better under the acting head coach).
As for Gibbons, his record was deserving of a non-renewed contract for some time. Remember, despite his lawsuit, he was NOT fired and as far as we know, had no pecuniary loss. But your better point is his defenders are probably those that don’t post here.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 19, 2019 10:45:28 GMT -5
Moose, you are more aware of how football players were able to get rid of another “Tom” head coach. Different methodology, same results. A major caveat. I don’t know what the facts were at Yale other than an impression that seems to have been borne out by the subsequent termination mid-season of coach Gilmore. However, the Yale debacle was not unlike the Yankee Stadium Fordham game. It was a lack of team effort. You will never convince me that either Fordham or Yale were that much better than those Crusader teams and say what you will about Gilmore, he knew what to expect from an opponent. Different methodology, same results.
yes, but we never 'tanked" playing a football game. also, as you and i have discussed, the other head coach tom engaged in activities that should have resulted in sanctions v the school if they became public. you cannot say that about coach tom g.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 10:51:54 GMT -5
Don’t disagree with either of your points.
I emphasize my first point is NOT a fact, just an impression. Remember, some thought Sonny Liston took a dive (“tanked”) against Cassius Clay. I am probably wrong but if the AD got the same impression, after the Yankee Stadium game, that could have been the last straw.
Well past time to move on. TG landed on his feet and BC seems to be hitting his stride and it seems the team is with him.
Edited to correct “BC” not “BG.” Thanks to all who caught the error and those who were able to read between the lines.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 11:57:59 GMT -5
Over the years I have become privy to some things about “Tom” from my football classmates that Moose alluded to. No need to get into particulars.
While he may have had a good football mind, he was not a good match for Holy Cross and the standards we expect from our coaches regardless of a win/loss record.
I never personally met the man but as has been posted numerous times, he took over a 6-3-1 team that broke Dartmouth’s consecutive winning streak and the last minute BC win the prior year and in a bonfire rally told the campus we would go undefeated and the results were 5-5. It got worse the following year.
To his credit, no one got hepatitis on his watch.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2019 12:21:40 GMT -5
Don’t disagree with either of your points. I emphasize my first point is NOT a fact, just an impression. Remember, some thought Sonny Liston took a dive (“tanked”) against Cassius Clay. I am probably wrong but if the AD got the same impression, after the Yankee Stadium game, that could have been the last straw. Well past time to move on. TG landed on his feet and BG seems to be hitting his stride and it seems the team is with him. I'm so engrossed in these Congressional Hearings I almost swore myself in before posting. You say BG seems to be hitting his stride. Did I miss some news about him beginning a new endeavor?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 19, 2019 12:37:51 GMT -5
Maybe meant Bob Chesney?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5
Gilmore non-grumble: What a fabulous twelve game schedule FHCTG and FADNP put together for this season. The three closest Ivy teams, Two FBS opponents, One strong Regional State U., a partridge in a pear tree, and then we were prepared by strong competition to make a run in the PL.
I don't know the specifics of scheduling but presume there is collaboration between the AD and FB coach and schedules are generated a few years in advance. For this season I think it worked out very well. HC took advantage of the twelve game window, the FBS games created positive buzz beforehand and I think they helped rather than hurt when we played PL games.
If things go our way on Saturday, it is hard to imagine a significantly better schedule to prepare us for the FCS playoffs.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2019 12:46:59 GMT -5
In context, that makes sense.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2019 13:20:48 GMT -5
Yes, sorry. Meant Chesney as this is the football thread. Mis-typed!😢
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 19, 2019 14:33:54 GMT -5
My two cents. The seeds of what happened at Yale were planted in Hanover. ____________
When a long-time Ivy hoops coach was let go a few years back, one significant factor was that the team came to believe that they knew more about hoops than the coach. I say this with respect to a team's confidence in its coach. When a team (or organization) no longer has confidence in your leadership, then you're up the creek as a coach or manager.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 19, 2019 14:37:20 GMT -5
It was pretty strange how HC went from putting up 51 points against UNH, 26 against a good Dartmouth team, 36 the week prior against Monmouth, and then shutout against Yale where they could only muster eight first downs all game.
It's almost like FOC Brian Rock forgot how to coach for this game.
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