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Post by rgs318 on Mar 5, 2020 14:01:49 GMT -5
Still far better than Fordham (only 2 winning seasons in the last 28 years). It is far harder to be a Ram hoop fan than a fan of the Crusaders. (but shouldn't this discussion be under basketball?)
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Post by trimster on Mar 5, 2020 17:18:27 GMT -5
Still far better than Fordham (only 2 winning seasons in the last 28 years). It is far harder to be a Ram hoop fan than a fan of the Crusaders. (but shouldn't this discussion be under basketball?) That is a pretty low bar to clear.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 5, 2020 17:29:05 GMT -5
I think they had many seasons with only single digit wins (2 was the worst).
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Post by bigfan on Mar 5, 2020 17:43:23 GMT -5
If we were in the A10 recruiting would be easier. I can understand why Fordham has problems, they must compete with St. John's and Rose Hill Gym needs to be replaced.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 5, 2020 17:56:14 GMT -5
Fordham's last trip to the NCAA's ended when Nick Macarchuck's crew was pummeled by UMass in the first round at the Centrum in '92.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 5, 2020 18:02:41 GMT -5
Of the top 10 crowds ever at Rose Hill, the Fordham opponent in 3 of them was Holy Cross. HC does draw well in NYC so why do we so rarely play there?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 5, 2020 18:29:38 GMT -5
Inexcusable with 7 squads in the 5 boroughs and plenty more close by.
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Post by trimster on Mar 6, 2020 8:10:35 GMT -5
Inexcusable with 7 squads in the 5 boroughs and plenty more close by. We used to play Iona with regularity even before the MAAC.
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Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2020 8:55:22 GMT -5
Ancient history now and no longer relevant, but I thought the reason Fordham didn't play HC in hoops is because they had a losing streak vs the Willard teams and A-10 teams can't just go out and continually lose to PL teams - especially if you spurned the lowly Patriot League to join the A-10
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 6, 2020 9:54:47 GMT -5
That was how I remember it. Right before our last game the Fordham coach said that Fordham would no longer be playing HC because we could not compete with them. Then they went out and lost to HC. Well done, Rams.
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Post by breezy on Mar 6, 2020 10:41:16 GMT -5
I had to check this thread this morning to see if there was anything new regarding the Holy Cross 2020 football schedule. Nope.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2020 10:58:27 GMT -5
Back to policing your herd of cats 😊
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Post by trimster on Mar 7, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -5
Somewhat related to the original topic of this thread, Penn just released its 2020 football schedule, the last of the Ivies to do so. Of the 24 OOC Ivy games, 13 are against the PL.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2020 16:07:33 GMT -5
...the Crimson play 3 PL opponents; Cornell, Columbia, Yale and Penn each play 2; Brown and Princeton one each.
The Big Green don't play any.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2020 16:12:11 GMT -5
A seven team PL is a beautiful thing. Plenty of room to play a variety of FCS OOC opponents and a FBS team or two plus only six teams to beat to get to the NCAA playoffs.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 7, 2020 19:27:04 GMT -5
But would the NCAA remove the automatic bid?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2020 23:16:46 GMT -5
But would the NCAA remove the automatic bid? I think a football conference must have a minimum of six teams to qualify for an automatic bid. PL BB enlarged from eight to ten teams making it 20% less likely any particular original team will get an automatic bid (12.5% to 10% without considering actual performance) and I don't believe the league has earned any at large bids since expanding. The only benefit is one close league road game and less strenuous effort to fill out the OOC schedule every year.
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Post by trimster on Mar 8, 2020 8:36:32 GMT -5
But would the NCAA remove the automatic bid? I think a football conference must have a minimum of six teams to qualify for an automatic bid. PL BB enlarged from eight to ten teams making it 20% less likely any particular original team will get an automatic bid (12.5% to 10% without considering actual performance) and I don't believe the league has earned any at large bids since expanding. The only benefit is one close league road game and less strenuous effort to fill out the OOC schedule every year. I think the PL should try to expand again by lobbying Fordham and Fairfield to join. I would take 4 games against them in hoops vs 4 middle of the road OOC games any time.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2020 9:55:35 GMT -5
I think a football conference must have a minimum of six teams to qualify for an automatic bid. PL BB enlarged from eight to ten teams making it 20% less likely any particular original team will get an automatic bid (12.5% to 10% without considering actual performance) and I don't believe the league has earned any at large bids since expanding. The only benefit is one close league road game and less strenuous effort to fill out the OOC schedule every year. I think the PL should try to expand again by lobbying Fordham and Fairfield to join. I would take 4 games against them in hoops vs 4 middle of the road OOC games any time. Many advantages to that such as geographically moving the league closer to HC and reigniting traditional rivalries with Jesuit schools. But it further reduces each existing league member's (performance neutral) odds of an automatic bid from 10% to 8.33%.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2020 9:57:29 GMT -5
Your numbers are assuming that all teams will be equal in performance. Hopefully, that will not be the case for HC moving forward.
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Post by trimster on Mar 8, 2020 10:50:52 GMT -5
I think the PL should try to expand again by lobbying Fordham and Fairfield to join. I would take 4 games against them in hoops vs 4 middle of the road OOC games any time. Many advantages to that such as geographically moving the league closer to HC and reigniting traditional rivalries with Jesuit schools. But it further reduces each existing league member's (performance neutral) odds of an automatic bid from 10% to 8.33%. That is fine with me.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5
Many advantages to that such as geographically moving the league closer to HC and reigniting traditional rivalries with Jesuit schools. But it further reduces each existing league member's (performance neutral) odds of an automatic bid from 10% to 8.33%. That is fine with me. It would be excellent for metro NY fans of HC.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 8, 2020 14:13:18 GMT -5
Having come from greater NYC and with so many fellow grads and friends from there, it's amazing how we cut our deep roots there when we joined the PL and kissed off Fairfield, Fordham, St Johns, Iona, Manhattan, Hofstra, Fairleigh, St Petes, etc. Cousy, Heinsohn, Palazzi, etc., etc., all from there.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2020 15:07:11 GMT -5
Not sure HC "kissed off" FDU. I think it was Fairleigh that moved away from HC.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 8, 2020 15:40:46 GMT -5
Holy Cross NEVER played FDU until 2018. How could we have kissed them off?
How many times did we play Hofstra before the PL?
We've played most of the schools on that list fewer than 30 times and at least 14 of those meetings were in the 7 years we were in the MAAC playing them twice a year. And many times since the PL was formed. Don't have time to do the research to break it down pre-PL and Post PL, but it's a bit extreme to say we "kissed them off."
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