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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2019 13:53:14 GMT -5
Endow a higher salary for Chesney. Will buy a few more years. Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this is quite the overreaction. He's 12-8 against 1-AA teams, with only two of those wins coming against teams who finished .500 (5-5 Yale last year, 6-5 UNH this year), and the total record of teams he's beat at 40-81 (.331). I understand the purple-shaded glasses, but Chesney is not getting a call for a significantly better job than HC after these two years, and if he was, a higher salary likely wouldn't stop him. Chesney's best work so far has been in recruiting and he has only coached one class in their Freshman year. Unless he is desperate to get out of town (which it doesn't seem like he is), he would be crazy not to stick around for more of his recruits and the chance for a real jump to the next level.
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Post by crossbball13 on Nov 26, 2019 14:32:56 GMT -5
Endow a higher salary for Chesney. Will buy a few more years. Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this is quite the overreaction. He's 12-8 against 1-AA teams, with only two of those wins coming against teams who finished .500 (5-5 Yale last year, 6-5 UNH this year), and the total record of teams he's beat at 40-81 (.331). I understand the purple-shaded glasses, but Chesney is not getting a call for a significantly better job than HC after these two years, and if he was, a higher salary likely wouldn't stop him. Chesney's best work so far has been in recruiting and he has only coached one class in their Freshman year. Unless he is desperate to get out of town (which it doesn't seem like he is), he would be crazy not to stick around for more of his recruits and the chance for a real jump to the next level. What was the total record of the teams that TG beat in 2009? A loss to sacred heart? Oh my I prefer hc be proactive and not reactive. Pay him what he’s worth. You’d rather talent walk out the door?
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Post by breezy on Nov 26, 2019 14:41:04 GMT -5
Just my opinion -- but salary will not be the sole factor to determine whether Chesney stays or moves to a higher level.
If he has the personal goal or objective of coaching at the FBS level, he will take that opportunity if it ever presents itself. Any FBS school that wants him and is worth his consideration will outpay Holy Cross at the drop of a hat.
On the other hand, if he likes where he is and the salary is appropriate, maybe he will want to stay -- especially now that he has laid the groundwork for future success going forward.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 26, 2019 14:55:41 GMT -5
No doubt if the team gets better and better the next two years (as evidenced by W-Ls, PL titles, and advancing further in the playoffs) he'll get plenty of offers. Than could even happen at the end of next year. He'll know he might be at a "demand zenith" (things can go south at any time [injured QB, a few missed field goals, etc.] in this game and nothing is more unwanted than a cold coach). In the past he has excelled and then moved up.
If he gets even better results next year (and possibly the following year) , I'm guessing he might repeat his past pattern. (Who can blame him?) I know we can't pay next level money (short of an endowed position) but we should certainly try to keep him around. A proven winner and turn-around artist is always in great demand.
A bit of a tangent but he might decide this is a place that will stay loyal to him through inevitable ups and downs (witness keeping TG as long as we did) so that might influence him to stay if he meets with further success and next-level offers start coming in.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 26, 2019 15:11:39 GMT -5
Why is a Georgetown gameday thread devolving into a conversation about Chesney leaving for greener pastures after he has a 7-5 season?
He's a good coach and showing great promise, but can we just be a tad realistic right now?
This is the last thing we need to be worried about / focused on right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this is quite the overreaction. He's 12-8 against 1-AA teams, with only two of those wins coming against teams who finished .500 (5-5 Yale last year, 6-5 UNH this year), and the total record of teams he's beat at 40-81 (.331). I understand the purple-shaded glasses, but Chesney is not getting a call for a significantly better job than HC after these two years, and if he was, a higher salary likely wouldn't stop him. Chesney's best work so far has been in recruiting and he has only coached one class in their Freshman year. Unless he is desperate to get out of town (which it doesn't seem like he is), he would be crazy not to stick around for more of his recruits and the chance for a real jump to the next level. What was the total record of the teams that TG beat in 2009? A loss to sacred heart? Oh my I prefer hc be proactive and not reactive. Pay him what he’s worth. You’d rather talent walk out the door? Gilmore Year 1: 1st place: 8-4 (5-1) 2nd place: 9-3 (5-1) 3rd place: 7-4 (4-2) 4th place: 7-4 (4-2) HC: 3-8 (1-4) *2 in NCAAs Gilmore Year 2: 1st place: 8-4 (5-1) 2nd place: 8-4 (5-1) 3rd place: 8-3 (4-2) 4th place: HC 6-5 (3-3) 2 in NCAAs I think we need to relax with the elevated pay talk.
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Post by wayback on Nov 26, 2019 15:37:14 GMT -5
What if he likes Worcester. He has been there since 2013. His kids are involved in schools in the area. He has his dad with him to enjoy the experience. Nothing wrong with being a big fish in a small pond. All depends on your priorities and perspective. Enjoy the ride
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2019 15:46:12 GMT -5
It is extremely premature to discuss Coach Chesney leaving.
First, while it is a slam dunk given he was not given a starting salary Tom Gilmore had after 10+ years but it is also highly likely there was some bonus incentives in his contract. There is also likely a clause that prevents him from jumping w/o approval from HC.
More importantly, all 3 of his kids are young and one was born in Worcester while the other two probably are young enough that they don’t remember living any place else and is “home.” Everything I have heard is that the Chesneys are very happy where they are.
He also seems to be one who wants to be more than a quick fix and move on. He hung for a while at both Salve and Assumption. Three years from now with continued success, we can sweat.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 26, 2019 15:53:23 GMT -5
I think we are at least a year or two away before this becomes a pressing issue.
It will be interesting what sort of school will be interested in him and vice versa though...HC, for all its faults we love to harp on here at times, is a pretty good gig in the grand scheme of college football coaching. Hard to leave for just any sort of FBS job outside of the P5. Possibly a D coordinator job at a P5 school? Again though, something we don't have to worry about just yet imo.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2019 16:11:19 GMT -5
Chesney has done a very nice job at HC, but this is quite the overreaction. He's 12-8 against 1-AA teams, with only two of those wins coming against teams who finished .500 (5-5 Yale last year, 6-5 UNH this year), and the total record of teams he's beat at 40-81 (.331).
I understand the purple-shaded glasses, but Chesney is not getting a call for a significantly better job than HC after these two years, and if he was, a higher salary likely wouldn't stop him. Chesney's best work so far has been in recruiting and he has only coached one class in their Freshman year. Unless he is desperate to get out of town (which it doesn't seem like he is), he would be crazy not to stick around for more of his recruits and the chance for a real jump to the next level. What was the total record of the teams that TG beat in 2009?A loss to sacred heart? Oh my I prefer hc be proactive and not reactive. Pay him what he’s worth. You’d rather talent walk out the door? Okay--let's look at the facts: In the great 2009 season, the composite W-L record of the teams HC beat was: 31-54= .365
We've seen this argument citing the "record of the teams so-and-so beat" any number of times before, perhaps from the same poster. I have to tell you, the record of teams you beat will almost always be underwhelming because, get this, you tend to beat the weak teams and occasionally lose to the good teams. I don't think there's any magic there.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 26, 2019 16:21:03 GMT -5
Having this conversation at all 2 years into Chesney's tenure at HC when we're headed to the playoffs is absolutely asinine.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 26, 2019 16:45:12 GMT -5
Having this conversation at all 2 years into Chesney's tenure at HC when we're headed to the playoffs is absolutely asinine. I have to disagree--this is arguably premature, but I don't think it's asinine and we can dream, can't we? This is akin to seeing your two year old colt win a couple of juvenile graded stakes and dreaming of the Kentucky Derby to be contested the following year. I'm extremely excited about Bob Chesney as a coach--I think he's going to be a truly great one and the good thing is we will eventually find out whether that's true.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 26, 2019 17:13:28 GMT -5
Having this conversation at all 2 years into Chesney's tenure at HC when we're headed to the playoffs is absolutely asinine. I have to disagree--this is arguably premature, but I don't think it's asinine and we can dream, can't we? This is akin to seeing your two year old colt win a couple of juvenile graded stakes and dreaming of the Kentucky Derby to be contested the following year. I'm extremely excited about Bob Chesney as a coach--I think he's going to be a truly great one and the good thing is we will eventually find out whether that's true. Yeah...ok....
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