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Post by rgs318 on Nov 25, 2019 18:29:50 GMT -5
I remember Kent State very swell. Wasn't that where peaceful protesters were shot by National Guatd troops carrying unauthorized personal weapons with (again unauthorized) live ammunition?
What happened at "the Game" was, in fact, child's play. ..in the midst of a game that later continued (after enough selfies had been accumulated).
OK, enough memory lane politics.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 25, 2019 18:48:33 GMT -5
Isn't there a more appropriate time and place for such demonstrations? I have sleep apnea and it's an important medical issue to me; how would those students like it if I tried to raise awareness by marching through their dorms on a Sunday morning, say, around 4:30 AM, banging on pots and pans to get their attention?
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Post by gks on Nov 25, 2019 18:53:05 GMT -5
Isn't there a more appropriate time and place for such demonstrations? I have sleep apnea and it's an important medical issue to me; how would those students like it if I tried to raise awareness by marching through their dorms on a Sunday morning, say, around 4:30 AM, banging on pots and pans to get their attention? They'd cry and call their parents for directions to the nearest safe space.
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Post by bikeman on Nov 25, 2019 19:03:39 GMT -5
The country as a whole is getting pretty tired of these Ivy League pukes.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 25, 2019 19:08:49 GMT -5
Isn't there a more appropriate time and place for such demonstrations? I have sleep apnea and it's an important medical issue to me; how would those students like it if I tried to raise awareness by marching through their dorms on a Sunday morning, say, around 4:30 AM, banging on pots and pans to get their attention? I'd label the display Saturday a backfiring stunt although they might label it a successful protest. They had no consideration for others who may have paid to watch a game or may have spent years preparing for it. (I note the "protesters' were capable of looking out for their own safety in that they did not attempt to enter the field while large men were aggressively running around on it. So they did exhibit some consideration - - for themselves.) At least they were not protesting disco (talk about backfiring):
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 25, 2019 19:34:47 GMT -5
The student protests of today are tepid compared to the late '60s and early '70s. Back then, there was real anger, and desperate action; recruiting centers were a favored target. That was the era of the Berrigan brothers (one a Jesuit, the other a HC graduate), who allegedly (they were tried and acquitted) sought to kidnap Henry Kissinger and blow up a steam heating facility to freeze the White House (which was but one of their transgressions)..
And nothing yet compares to the Irish riots in New York City during the Civil War, which remain as the greatest episode of civil unrest in American history. There are many posters here of Irish origin; perhaps some of their ancestors participated.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 25, 2019 19:45:17 GMT -5
It was a dark time for the Irish. The Irish Brigade was formed to give patriotic Irish a place to serve where they would face less anti-Catholic, anti-Irish discrimination. There was anger because the Irish so often put in the vanguard (the front of assaults) and took the heaviest casualties. Those riots targeted soldiers and Blacks. There were beatings and several lynchings. Only a few weeks after the riots, a Federal black unit received its colors only a few blocks from the spot where an innocent black man had been lynched.
There is no fair comparison between the protests of the Civil War period and what is happening today.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 25, 2019 20:02:00 GMT -5
Remember the Boston Team Party, December 16, 1773. The event at Yale was minor in scale by comparison.
Americans have been protesting tyranny for 246 years. My political science and history professors at Holy Cross and other institutions noted that demonstrations of dissent and a goal of equilibrium are an essential part of the fabric of American democracy.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 25, 2019 20:41:50 GMT -5
I think some of you are underestimating just how bad disco was.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 25, 2019 20:45:53 GMT -5
Disco was terrific.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 25, 2019 21:06:54 GMT -5
/\ Another Underestimater. Trigger alert for my embedded video I guess.
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Post by moose1970 on Nov 25, 2019 21:07:21 GMT -5
Many of them would make what happened in New Haven seem like child's play (e.g. Kent State, 1969 Democratic Convention, Columbia University, and on and on and on).
you don't get it. Kent State, Columbia U etc. were openly organized as antiwar protests. no attempt was made to sneak in and disrupt an event.i.e. piss people off. btw, there was no Democratic Convention in 196 9.the D.C. was in 1968 when there was a presidential election. 1969 was a typo. I remember 68 and the Chicago demonstration very well: MLK and Bobby K were killed, I graduated from ND, enlisted in the Navy and voted for the first time. Plus Abby Hoffman was from you know where. Moose, you seem like a great guy. Many of the protests were specifically designed to piss people off. Do you think the takeover of Columbia's Administration building was announced in advance and was not disruptive? This is my last post on this topic. Moose, you seem like a great guy.
i really need to get you and my wife to go bowling together real soon!!!
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 25, 2019 21:27:37 GMT -5
Remember the Boston Team Party, December 16, 1773. The event at Yale was minor in scale by comparison. Americans have been protesting tyranny for 246 years. My political science and history professors at Holy Cross and other institutions noted that demonstrations of dissent and a goal of equilibrium are an essential part of the fabric of American democracy. Cute, but there were many more people protesting in New Haven than in Boston. In terms of "scale" New Haven was much larger with MANY more witnesses. And which Boston "team" was it that was involved in protests?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 25, 2019 21:52:19 GMT -5
The Boston team was the Patriots.😎. With many on this board being from the NY metro area, I can see why one, would not like them 😄 While more were protesting at Yale than in the harbor, the Tea Party was a very epic and a seminal moment in American history. The Yale protest as an event, will be forgotten in a couple of days except by Harvard and Yale alumni who need something to gripe about with their cronies and homies. Guess they got tired of telling the kids to get off their lawn at their home. Guess the protest did not ruined the grass since the bowl now has artificial turf. After the games at the Bowl, the public is allowed on the field. I was standing on the field after the game next to Gov. Pataki of NY at the 300 Yale Anniversary in 2001. Game was against Dartmouth on a Sunday afternoon. Sitting behind me was a Yale recruit, who ended up playing for the good guys in Worcester. Being on the field is a tradition at the Bowl. news.yale.edu/2001/09/26/yale-universitys-tercentennial-celebration-be-held-october-5-7-2001The changing climate of the earth is another story in it self. There is not a monolithic solution in attempting to resolve the problem. Fossil fuels is only one of the pieces that should be addressed. An example to understand is the most recent problems in Delhi. The air was umbreathable in a highly densely populated city.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 25, 2019 22:07:13 GMT -5
First line...LOL (No LMAO!) Well argued!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 25, 2019 22:30:41 GMT -5
I have no respect for these protesters. If you aren't willing to streak for climate change just stay home. But seriously, the position that Climate Change is an existential threat and work hard to solve it, but don't delay a football game and worsen the issue by requiring outdoor lighting when the organizers of the game could have used all sunlight if you hadn't disrupted, resonates with me.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 26, 2019 0:06:47 GMT -5
While the Yalies and the Cantabs were all vexed that their precious annual meeting on the grid iron was delayed, I really cannot get worked up by their plight regarding the delay that occurred. They need to get over themselves regarding who of us unwashed really care about the importance of their “The Game”. Using superlatives “The Big Game” was being played in Palo Alto CA. Poor planning by the part of Yale not to have portal lights available. They certainly could hit up friends of Yale Football for a donation. Delay of game would obviously not been a problem in Cambridge. It is late November. The sun sets before 4:30.
I have been to night events at the Yale Bowl i.e, one was the Special Olympics World Games in 1996. Portable lights were used and on until after midnight. HC connection to the event seeing Eunice and Sargent Schriver.
As a person who bleeds purple, I was enjoying a much more important and satisfying event being played out 111 miles north of New Haven CT. Watching the Saders taking the next steps on achieving national recognition. Beating our Jesuit rival, Georgetown.
Now on to West Long Branch, NJ, while the Yalies and Cantabs go home for Thanksgiving. 😁
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