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Post by purplehaze on Dec 5, 2019 14:15:55 GMT -5
This should get a reaction around here - some on the Ivy board are suggesting that Cornell is fed up with their ineptitude on the gridiron and may drop football - well, look who they are talking about as a possible replacement ! www.voy.com/152805/188394.html
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Post by timholycross on Dec 5, 2019 14:27:43 GMT -5
4-6 with the worst loss, 35-22, defeated Dartmouth, one of the champs? I doubt there is that much discouragement there.
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Post by td128 on Dec 5, 2019 14:57:52 GMT -5
If anybody had any doubts how the Cornell administration feels about football, read this: A Message From The Chairman August 15, 2019 Dear Friends of Cornell Football,
WELCOME TO THE CFA BIG RED FOOTBALL ALUMNI!
As you know by now, the University does not allow us to use the name “Cornell”. Simply stated, The CFA Board of Directors is disappointed in the actions, and tactics, of the University Administrators.
Remember, we graduated from Cornell. We played football for Cornell. We are Cornell. The University Administrators cannot take that from us.
The Cornell Football Association was formed 25 years ago with the mission of keeping the football alumni connected. The mission of the CFA Big Red Football Alumni is to keep the football alumni connected.
To that end, our organization will conduct three major initiatives in the coming year.
CFA tailgate parties at all home games Annual CFA Awards Day ceremony (October 26th, Ithaca Country Club) Annual CFA Golf Outing on Saturday, August 1st. Now is the time to pull together and support the CFA Big Red Football Alumni. We can best show our strength, by sticking together as a large and vibrant membership group with solidarity in purpose and resolve. Specifically, we are asking for a major turnout on Saturday October 26th for our CFA Awards Day. Join us for the CFA tailgate event on Kite Hill prior to the the Brown game at Schoellkopf Field, followed by our CFA awards Day reception at Ithaca Country Club.
Regarding membership, dues will be $100 per calendar year. These funds will support our administrative costs and CFA tailgates. All other events will be priced at break-even numbers. For those of you that have already paid dues for 2019, please be advised that we are in the process of verifying if the University will be supplying season tickets to CFA members for home games as they have in the past. The CFA will honor our commitment irrespective of the universities position and we will send a CFA membership notice out soon.
bigredalumni.org/chairmans-message-8-15-2019/
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 5, 2019 15:14:29 GMT -5
That is some crazy stuff. I can’t imagine it happening but I guess you never know. I always think to myself what football is going to look like 20 years from now. With all the news about CTE and localities moving away from sponsoring youth tackle football, I suspect football as we currently know and love it may be an endangered species.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 5, 2019 15:32:42 GMT -5
Couple of points:
1) Cornell would not automatically be "kicked out" of the Ivy League if they dropped football. While there is no precedent, it's certainly possible that they would remain an Ivy League member and simply not sponsor football. This would put the football conference at 7 teams, who would now play 6 Ivy League games. Whether they would try to add an extra OOC game or play a 9-game schedule with a bye, no one knows.
2) The mere threat of getting kicked out of the Ivy League would probably stop Cornell from dropping the sport. While attendance is down across the conference (surprise, surprise), the attachment of crisp autumn football Saturdays to the Ivy League brand remains.
3) While VERY unlikely, a football affiliate could be added to replace Cornell. But this probably wouldn't happen (sorry DFW Hoya) because this would give a 9th school the opportunity to consider itself an "Ivy League school", hence diluting the brand.
4) I have no clue as to whether or not Georgetown would dump the Big East to join the Ivy League, were they to be invited as a full-time member. I could see both sides of the argument. But I have a hard time believing that the Ivy League would bring in a religious institution, regardless of how secular Catholic colleges and universities have become over the past generation or two.
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Post by alum on Dec 5, 2019 15:42:35 GMT -5
Who knew the people on voy were as nutty as we are?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 5, 2019 17:10:38 GMT -5
This is almost undoubtedly fake news. Appears one disgruntled alum doesnt like or is trying to undermine the coach and ia starting unfounded speculation.
Chances are on the Cornell board (if there is one) he started a thread titled: "Does anyone even caheeee anymaw?? I wondah". But maybe in a different (upstate NY) dialect.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 5, 2019 17:21:10 GMT -5
This is almost undoubtedly fake news. Appears one disgruntled alum doesnt like or is trying to undermine the coach and ia starting unfounded speculation. Agree. If this ever happens, it is at least a decade away.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 5, 2019 17:35:17 GMT -5
This is almost undoubtedly fake news. Appears one disgruntled alum doesnt like or is trying to undermine the coach and ia starting unfounded speculation. Agree. If this ever happens, it is at least a decade away. Longer. While I am sure Ivy League brass are pretty "woke" when it comes to the concerns regarding football and related brain injuries, I believe that the league would rather be the innovator behind "saving the sport" via rule changes and safety equipment than simply take their ball and go home. You already see this with the moving of the kickoff spot to the 40 yd line in Ivy League play as opposed to the 35 yd line in the remainder of Division I. And then you have Dartmouth and the robotic tackling dummies. I think the Ivies will be the first to eliminate the kickoff all together and try some variation of 4th and 18 from your own 35 yard line as an alternative to the onside kick. Pretty sure those nerds can come up with something more creative than "just move the kickoff up to the 50 so the ball lands in the parking lot and doesn't ever get returned".
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2019 17:42:04 GMT -5
Cornell is not going to drop football--what a stupid thread on the Ivy board
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 5, 2019 18:38:24 GMT -5
Ain't gonna' happen. Cornell will keep football. I do agree with idea of playing academically compatible FBS schools if HC chooses to go that route. LoveHC Academically compatible? I guess we should drop BC then
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2019 2:48:57 GMT -5
Will Cornell drop football? No.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2019 7:26:46 GMT -5
Of course it will not happen...but if it did happen, the Ivy League without Cornell playing football would be like the Ivy League without Columbia playing men's lacrosse. (Note: Columbia does not play men's lacrosse.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2019 8:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Dec 6, 2019 8:41:18 GMT -5
Let’s be honest, the rink and gym at the Hart Center would be a very nice facility for a very good high school athletic program. The facility was one the first signs of the Administrations vision for the athletic program.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2019 14:35:26 GMT -5
1) The presence of the DCU center a mile away covers HC in case either BB or Hockey catches fire and fan demand blows the doors off either of the two Hart Center venues.
2) The school just spent $90 million on the Luth and chose not to upgrade the game day fan amenities significantly in the two arenas. Perhaps they could have struck a better balance but the money went into facilities to help students and student athletes improve performance, participation and enjoyment.
3) I wonder if the current and projected trend for more fans to watch the teams through streaming factored into any of the resource allocation decisions?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 6, 2019 14:55:58 GMT -5
#3 posits an interesting question.
In reality, the "Hoop Hart" is nevah drawing 3K+ regularly again playing in the PL...Wintah Homecoming and the rare PLT semi and/or final game are the only games one could expect HC to draw 3K today even if the team is doing well.
The "Hockey Hart" on the other hand is probably too small a venue for either the ECAC or HE....surmising the no additions/improvements on this half of the facility led directly to Coach Pearl seeking employment in Cambridge.
My guess is that TPTB looked at the attendance figures for both venues at the Hart and determined no real changes were needed with regards to attendance-size given where we are/have been (PL/AHL) the last 10 years or so.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2019 15:11:25 GMT -5
The good news is the Hart Hockey Rink does not prevent HC from winning the AHA or the Women's Hockey East and then making some noise in the NCAA tournament.
Patience is warranted with Women's Hockey. No special patience should be expected for Men's hockey.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 6, 2019 15:20:54 GMT -5
btw, as long as there is Ivy League football, as diminished as it is as a national brand today, no school is going to stop participating in it....silly talk/speculation.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 6, 2019 15:30:10 GMT -5
trimster, if you're criticizing the Hart for bball, can you tell me how many other PL, MAAC, NEC, and IVY basketball arenas you have been to ? I'd stack up the Luth/Hart positive;y with 90 pct of them. You're talking like someone who is comparing the Hart to arenas in the south, midwest etc..
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Post by timholycross on Dec 6, 2019 15:51:57 GMT -5
I do think TPTB (read, Fr. Brooks) should have built something larger or at least expandable (Hart's roof makes such an expansion nigh impossible) and for years it's been stated by many that the Perini Corp. offered them just that.
OTOH if HC had chosen some other path for men's basketball, anyone who thinks it prevented HC from making such a move isn't accurate. A lot of inferior venues were used by the Big East the first several years of its existence.
Plus, when the league started demanding schools play at bigger places, the DCU was ready and waiting.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2019 16:51:55 GMT -5
Over the decades since the Worcester Civic Center (DCU) was first proposed, much more has been said than actually done about Holy Cross playing there. My hazy sense of history says the potential of HC playing there was among the factors that put the razor thin decision to build it over the top.
Like donating the land to build the Quinsigamond Village Fire Station, it's another contribution HC has made to Worcester.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2019 18:12:17 GMT -5
#3 posits an interesting question. In reality, the "Hoop Hart" is nevah drawing 3K+ regularly again playing in the PL...Wintah Homecoming and the rare PLT semi and/or final game are the only games one could expect HC to draw 3K today even if the team is doing well. The "Hockey Hart" on the other hand is probably too small a venue for either the ECAC or HE....surmising the no additions/improvements on this half of the facility led directly to Coach Pearl seeking employment in Cambridge. My guess is that TPTB looked at the attendance figures for both venues at the Hart and determined no real changes were needed with regards to attendance-size given where we are/have been (PL/AHL) the last 10 years or so. I have a subscription to ESPN+. The other evening I turned it on, more to see the schedule than anything. There was a delayed (given the time zone difference) broadcast of an Italian soccer match in the Coppa Italia between Bologna and Udinese (in NE Italy), at the latter's stadium. And I watched far longer than I expected, because of what I saw. (Bologna lost 4-nil). The seats in this particular stadium are a crazy mishmash of colors; no seat is painted the same color as the seat next to it. And all I could see at first was this pixellated blotch of color; I thought this is bizarre: they have pixellated the fans to make them anonymous, perhaps on the idea that there was no point in engaging in crazy antics or being an a**hole because nobody could see you. After a closeup of the seats, I realized that what I was seeing were the seats themselves: there was NOBODY in the seats at either goal end, nor in the stands opposite the video cameras. (And this was not a small stadium.) I actually thought the crowd noise coming over the audio feed was pre-recorded. Perhaps it was dubbed in after, given the broadcast delay on ESPN+. It looked to be a cold, dreary weekday night in northern Italy. Why go, if on e can watch it on the telly, or your smartphone? Tonight, I have found images with fans, who must have all been sitting on the side where the cameras were. So this really wasn't a match played simply for the television cameras, with no fans in the stadium. But I suspect it may be coming to that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 6, 2019 18:35:57 GMT -5
Italians are smart and have good taste—they were all out doing something more rewarding than watching a tedious “football” match
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 6, 2019 19:35:58 GMT -5
Must be visually difficult to watch the match with a clamor of seat colors.
Wonder why and who made that bizarre decision. Hopin that when any HC venues are remodeled, the same idea and color schemes are not adapted.
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