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Post by timholycross on Dec 14, 2019 16:28:00 GMT -5
Fallen apart from what? This was a weak team last year and Floyd graduated. I was aware that Floyd had graduated--was trying to make the subtle point that there's more to the game than offense by stating that we added two big scorers yet are losing game after game. ...well, it would appear that the rebounding on the team is better and the defense is worse, perhaps Floyd made up for a lot of deficiencies of the others in that regard. Or, perhaps because some kind of zone is more suited to the folks we have on the team and Nelson apparently doesn't believe that's the way he wants to do it.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 14, 2019 16:29:22 GMT -5
Committed 5 PF in 5 minutes of play Truly amazing. He was prone to this sort of thing with the other regime...hasn't been addressed and perhaps will never be.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2019 16:31:17 GMT -5
He was prone to this sort of thing with the other regime...hasn't been addressed and perhaps will never be. Don't think it’s a coaching issue.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 14, 2019 16:31:40 GMT -5
I believe this is the 2nd game (can't recall which was the other one) where we are down 9 points with less than 2 minutes, more like 1:30 and as the announcers said it was "a 3 possession game" but that presumes hitting 3 3s and there is no time for any 2 point shots. What do we do? Dribble around and try to pass inside for 2 point shots.
Yuetter I believe took at least 3 if not 4 beyond the arc when it was already too late. He tries hard but should have the red light on 3s.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 14, 2019 16:38:39 GMT -5
I was aware that Floyd had graduated--was trying to make the subtle point that there's more to the game than offense by stating that we added two big scorers yet are losing game after game. ...well, it would appear that the rebounding on the team is better and the defense is worse, perhaps Floyd made up for a lot of deficiencies of the others in that regard. Or, perhaps because some kind of zone is more suited to the folks we have on the team and Nelson apparently doesn't believe that's the way he wants to do it. Offensive rebounding is much better, defensive rebounding is worse.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 14, 2019 16:45:11 GMT -5
He was prone to this sort of thing with the other regime...hasn't been addressed and perhaps will never be. He made a little progress last year, cutting his /40 from 8.5 to 5.9. Back up to about 8.5 so far this year.
For his career, he's committed more fouls (182) than he's made shots (137 FG + 44 FT)
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Post by trimster on Dec 14, 2019 16:49:45 GMT -5
That one long run by Canisius killed us... Unfortunately, that stretch is included in the scorebook. Other than that.... What a train wreck. If I make any predictions next fall, please ignore them.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2019 16:50:58 GMT -5
We have two good players right now.
Maybe Hargris and Wade will develop, but until we can bring in more players, this program is completely stuck.
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Post by trimster on Dec 14, 2019 17:08:11 GMT -5
We have two good players right now. Maybe Hargris and Wade will develop, but until we can bring in more players, this program is completely stuck. Wade may have to look at another way of scoring besides the 3, at least until he gets more comfortable out there.
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Post by Chu Chu on Dec 14, 2019 17:21:45 GMT -5
Great article. Wonderful history.
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Post by possum on Dec 14, 2019 18:26:32 GMT -5
I don't know how Wade scored in high school but at this point he seems reluctant to put the ball on the floor and is strictly a spot up shooter who seems to have lost his confidence.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2019 18:38:13 GMT -5
We have two good players right now. Maybe Hargris and Wade will develop, but until we can bring in more players, this program is completely stuck. Wade may have to look at another way of scoring besides the 3, at least until he gets more comfortable out there. I was just trying to be optimistic.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 14, 2019 20:13:55 GMT -5
I guess we are at the “moral victories against middle-of-the-pack MAAC teams” stage of the rebuild.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2019 20:39:15 GMT -5
No moral victory in this loss. As long as we see players developing, I am not upset.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2019 20:40:18 GMT -5
I guess we are at the “moral victories against middle-of-the-pack MAAC teams” stage of the rebuild. SOV — Do you actually think we have a roster that can compete at the D1 level right now? We finished in last place in the pL last year and lost our three best players. Not sure how you can expect things to be better this year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 14, 2019 20:45:06 GMT -5
Not disputing the fact we are a bottom 50 Division 1 team, just reiterating it. Sad state of affairs. I knew we would be pretty bad this year, but we are getting a good dose of reality about just how far we have to go.
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Post by crusader92 on Dec 14, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -5
Three point shooting is not good. Not winning many games with 31%
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Post by efg72 on Dec 14, 2019 21:19:12 GMT -5
Basketball can be turned around quickly with the addition of one or two talented players We are closer than you think -in addition to some of the top talent frequently mentioned we have a number of 4-10’s right now and depending on the skills added some of the existing roster could be more impactful especially in future years
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 14, 2019 21:46:00 GMT -5
Three point shooting is not good. Not winning many games with 31% We have three players with very good three point shooting percentages .406= Marlon Hargis on 13 for 32 shooting .400= Austin Butler on 14 for 35 shooting .396= Drew Lowder on 19 for 48 shooting---don't see many freshman shooting 3's that well Yes, I do understand that the season is young. These players could miss their next dozen shots but, as of right now with a small sample, they are shooting well. Butler, of course, has proved himself over multiple seasons. Joe Pridgen is 4 for 10-- too small a sample there for sure. The trouble is that the rest of the team is an abysmal 28 for 117= .239 I'll start assigning red lights and see if that helps
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 14, 2019 22:29:03 GMT -5
No moral victory in this loss. As long as we see players developing, I am not upset. I wish I could agree with you. Looking at what is shaping up to be a 4 or 5 win season is very discouraging to most fans. This group of players (with few exceptions) is simply not capable of playing MTM as their primary defense. That is obvious to anyone watching these games. People on this board can say “it is a learning experience” but as the losses pile up, the kids are going to be losing more and more confidence and they will start to expect to lose. By February the stands will be virtually empty. Nelson needs to realize that and make some adjustments in-style of play. There are no great answers for sure but at very least try a lot more zone to slow the game down a bit and give this team a better chance to compete. What works at Marquette may not be the answer at HC with this roster. RW figured that out pretty quickly and took a different approach than his teams at Pitt. Coach Nelson may want to consider a similar short term approach.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 14, 2019 22:30:44 GMT -5
Wade is a good player. Saw him several times in HS and he did take the ball to the hoop. Did it at least once today vs. Canisius. He’s a very good shooter who seems to be pressing. The UNH game provided a glimpse of what he can do. If you’ll recall R. Champion came in with a reputation as a shooter and yet he did not have many good shooting/scoring games until the last 2/3 of his sophomore year. Think also of American’s Jacob Boonyasith (also from Michigan) who had scored 16-20 points all season last year before the first AU-HC game, lit us up in that game and went on from there. Hopefully, Ryan will bust out with a few good shooting games soon, relax and take it from there.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 15, 2019 5:22:57 GMT -5
Wade may turn out to be the best player in his class for all we know.
While I too am surprised by the extent of the struggles of MF and CN, imho they were more aligned to the former system than anyone else. It also seems to me the change would be tougher for big kids. If CBN was doing more to tweak things and they still struggled, I could see getting on them more....but he hasn't, so it seems a bit unfair to target them (by the way, what CBN is doing could very well be the best way to go; just making an observation).
I'm still more concerned about Druzi's health than anything else right now.
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Post by trimster on Dec 15, 2019 8:38:53 GMT -5
Faw can't play very long with piling up a boatload of fouls. You just can't count on him to contribute much because in all likelihood, he will get into foul trouble. Niego is a good support player. A nice 3rd forward off the bench.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 15, 2019 10:06:47 GMT -5
We are obviously a much better team with Lowder on the floor so hopefully he can stay healthy. Getting Copeland back will provide another meaningful boost. Still not going to win a lot of games this season but we will be a better team at full health. I also think Wade will make a big difference as he gets more comfortable.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2019 10:10:21 GMT -5
I agree on all three points. Perhaps the best shot is with Wade getting a greater degree of "comfort" now that Drew is back. We'll see.
Did anyone notice that HC seems to be using a bit more zone?
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