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Post by alumni111 on Mar 5, 2023 16:46:13 GMT -5
Once everyone got scholarships the pool of players shrunk. Not everyone wants to head North to a Catholic College Ever been to Boondocks, PA? Or Hamilton, NY?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 5, 2023 16:59:47 GMT -5
Ever been to Boondocks, PA? Or Hamilton, NY?
How about Podunk? (it's part of one of the Brookfields).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 5, 2023 17:36:04 GMT -5
In his first four years as coach, RW coached the team to winning the PL championship in years two, three, and four.
In the next six years as head coach, there was one PL championship, in 2006-07. The team was runner-up in three other years.
His OOC W-L percentage was .560
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 5, 2023 17:49:31 GMT -5
In his first four years as coach, RW coached the team to winning the PL championship in years two, three, and four. In the next six years as head coach, there was one PL championship, in 2006-07. The team was runner-up in three other years. His OOC W-L percentage was .560
Year NCSoS
01-02 246 02-03 170 03-04 200 04-05 154 05-06 107 06-07 130 07-08 170 08-09 195
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 6, 2023 7:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Mar 6, 2023 9:28:31 GMT -5
Starting to worry about you, WG
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Post by jkh67 on Mar 6, 2023 13:09:55 GMT -5
If I were Nelson and knew I was coming back, I would go to KH and get his approval to post a video on the basketball website. In the video I would apologize to the fan base for the lack of success that the program has had over the last few years and, without making excuses, would tell them that I and my staff were more focused than ever in changing that. I would thank Gates for his incredible contribution to the program and say that, with most of the team returning, some big bodies returning from injury, a fine crop of incoming freshmen, and possibly some help from the transfer portal, that I am optimistic that things will turn around next year. I would thank everyone for their patience to date and promise them that they will see the benefit of their patience and support next season. (I think that would go a long way to making a bad situation at least a little better. It would also take some of the heat off KH. No real downside doing this because, if next year is another disaster he’s going to get fired anyway.) Just a suggestion…. While I appreciate your Christian forbearance, a few thoughts -- - For Nelson to say "I am optimistic that things will turn around next year" would have credibility in the negative numbers range at this point, even if there was any objective basis for that sunny forecast. Sort of like the captain of the Titanic encouraging the passengers to remain calm while the crew mans the bilge pumps below deck and the prow sinks furhter into the waves. - Another year of more of the same should be totally unacceptable to the College, even if the TPTB don't really give a hoot about men's b'ball (which I continue to fervently hope is not the case). As was noted earlier in this thread (and as I have pointed out several times over the years in different contexts), successful basketball and football programs bring major benefits to the institutions supporting them far beyond the realm of athletics. -- As for taking "some of the heat off KH", I couldn't disagree more. He had to know when he took the job that reviving the men's b'ball program was his major assignment. Action can't come soon enough.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 6, 2023 13:16:44 GMT -5
Over the last 15 years we are 165 - 262 for a win percentage of 0.386, which includes all non-DI games. That reminds me of the NY Giants 1978 season and the banner that flew behind a plane over Giants Stadium during the final Giants home game of the 1978 season - about 3 weeks after the Joe Pisarcik fumble. Kit Hughes, President Rougeau, Rich Flaherty and Dr. Helen Boucher to paraphrase that banner ... 15 years of Lousy Basketball ... We've Had Enough! Take real action to remedy the situation. You have to do more than change coaches. The timeline shows what happens when the rest of the PL has Scholarships. Ralph’s teams were good enough to compete very well with the best teams in the country. The quality of our team wouldn’t have changed if the rest of the PL had full scholarships for his entire tenure. It might have been tougher to win the league title and we might have lost a few more regular season games but we would have still had a very good team. The present problem is that we haven’t had a coach since who can figure out how to win a lot at HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2023 13:35:36 GMT -5
And as Chesney, Magarity and now Riga are showing, good coaches can figure out how to compete in scholarship sports at HC.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 6, 2023 14:21:29 GMT -5
The timeline shows what happens when the rest of the PL has Scholarships. Ralph’s teams were good enough to compete very well with the best teams in the country. The quality of our team wouldn’t have changed if the rest of the PL had full scholarships for his entire tenure. It might have been tougher to win the league title and we might have lost a few more regular season games but we would have still had a very good team. The present problem is that we haven’t had a coach since who can figure out how to win a lot at HC. The pL is as bad as it's ever been in basketball right now (see 11-22 LaughU in the championship game without a head coach). The competition in the league has 0.0 to do with where HC's program has been for the past 13 years.
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 6, 2023 16:21:41 GMT -5
I agree with BBC. See PL football. Despite the league being awful the FB team is very good.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 6, 2023 21:35:15 GMT -5
Let’s remember Milan Brown was fired after going 40-38 in PL regular season games and an average Pomeroy ranking of 217.6 after five seasons.
Brett Nelson is 21-49 in PL games and has an average ranking of 334.5.
In fact, since the advent of Pomeroy, Nelson is the only HC coach to have teams ranked below 300 at the end of a season.
Kit, this is so plainly obvious.
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 6, 2023 21:39:41 GMT -5
After today, I doubt BN gets fired. I’d say he’s coming back for a 5th year!
Maybe the HC Twitter guy can get fired for posting the 2.96 average team GPA! You can’t make this stuff up!!!!!!
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Post by alumni111 on Mar 7, 2023 10:47:29 GMT -5
Hard to believe that in the vetting and hiring of ADKH, TPTB didn't spend significant time playing out the scenarios involving BN, considering the $$ at stake and the profile of the program. If keeping Chesney was job 1, then hoops/BN was jobs 2-3-4-5. Since December (at least!) it's been clear a change was going to be necessary, so why it's taken this long for ANY communication regarding his status dumbfounds me.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 7, 2023 12:18:13 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated, but related, point...I was looking up some of the UF rosters from when BN was there to see if there are any former teammates that may now have some clout to find him a soft landing somewhere...I got distracted by learning that Udonis Haslem, who is STILL in the NBA, actually enrolled at UF one year prior to Nelson. I knew they overlapped but would have assumed Nelson came first given that Haslem is still in the league. That is incredible.
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Post by spenser on Mar 7, 2023 12:25:10 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated, but related, point...I was looking up some of the UF rosters from when BN was there to see if there are any former teammates that may now have some clout to find him a soft landing somewhere...I got distracted by learning that Udonis Haslem, who is STILL in the NBA, actually enrolled at UF one year prior to Nelson. I knew they overlapped but would have assumed Nelson came first given that Haslem is still in the league. That is incredible. UH announced a few days ago that this year is his last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure it’s his 20th.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 7, 2023 12:58:23 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated, but related, point...I was looking up some of the UF rosters from when BN was there to see if there are any former teammates that may now have some clout to find him a soft landing somewhere...I got distracted by learning that Udonis Haslem, who is STILL in the NBA, actually enrolled at UF one year prior to Nelson. I knew they overlapped but would have assumed Nelson came first given that Haslem is still in the league. That is incredible. UH announced a few days ago that this year is his last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure it’s his 20th. I think I heard that too...and I knew he's been around forever, just still hard to believe this is his 42 year old teammate's 4th year of being a D-1 head coach, not to mention all the prior years being an assistant coach, and UH is still in the league and started college before him.
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Post by alumni111 on Mar 7, 2023 13:14:36 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2023 16:51:25 GMT -5
"Ed" Skinner sure left the cupboard bare; nice job. Heading to Conference USA as their football program is transitioning to BCS.
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