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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2019 9:18:13 GMT -5
I didn't realize my question mark would be interpreted incorrectly. My fault. I knew he had two names, just couldn't remember the other name (ncaam).
I do remember when the HC70 poster left (on his own, I'm pretty sure) in a hissy fit; couldn't pinpoint when ncaam disappeared (banned, as all accounts seem to point to).
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2019 9:29:26 GMT -5
I'll give NU credit for finally figuring out that the program was dead on arrival at Parsons Field (two miles from campus, no parking or easy public transportation access, high school level bleachers) and needing 25 million to construct something acceptable.
Of course, they probably should have built something on campus anyway ...it doesn't do anything for their other outdoor programs to play at that place (and their field hockey team plays in 8-10 mile away Dedham, for goodness sakes).
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Post by bison137 on Dec 27, 2019 9:55:58 GMT -5
I didn't realize my question mark would be interpreted incorrectly. My fault. I knew he had two names, just couldn't remember the other name (ncaam). I do remember when the HC70 poster left (on his own, I'm pretty sure) in a hissy fit; couldn't pinpoint when ncaam disappeared (banned, as all accounts seem to point to). Pretty sure he was banned both times.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 27, 2019 10:07:23 GMT -5
I didn't realize my question mark would be interpreted incorrectly. My fault. I knew he had two names, just couldn't remember the other name (ncaam). I do remember when the HC70 poster left (on his own, I'm pretty sure) in a hissy fit; couldn't pinpoint when ncaam disappeared (banned, as all accounts seem to point to). Pretty sure he was banned both times. He was. He did at one point 5 or 6 years ago "bid us adieu" leaving in a bit of a hissyfit only to return a week later. This was a couple yeara prior to him being banned the first time.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2019 10:49:03 GMT -5
Lets go back to discussing what division HC should play in than this.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2019 12:08:47 GMT -5
Lets go back to discussing what division HC should play in than this. D-I
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2019 13:49:17 GMT -5
I thought that there had been a consensus reached that it was to be D1 - for a host of reasons already stated more than once on CROSSPORTS.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2019 14:25:40 GMT -5
Some simply missed my sarcastic point of trying to steer the discussion away from where it had went.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2019 16:06:39 GMT -5
Some simply missed my sarcastic point of trying to steer the discussion away from where it had went. Not at all, just took the extra step and brought it back
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 30, 2019 19:54:12 GMT -5
Also Im not sure if youre allowed any more to move one mens and womens sport to DI. All the programs you mentioned are grandfathered in after the "Dayton rule" if I'm not mistaken. Johns Hopkins M/W Lax St. Lawrence and Clarkson M/W hockey LeMoyne Baseball and W LAX Lock Haven FH as was mentioned above Hobart mentioned above Dallas Jesuit baseball (and softball?) Example: I don't think Tufts could decide tomorrow to move mens and womens lacrosse or soccer to DI. The only sport with wiggle room is hockey because there is no Division II, ONLY D1 and D3. So D2 schools have the option to play D1 or play D3 but be ineligible for NCAA. Technically Assumption & St. Anselm could go DI in hockey next year and try and play as independents. But they probably wouldn't make such a move unless for example the AHA invited them. The Dayton Rule still applies, but it states that your football and basketball programs must compete in the same division. Dayton has always been a D1 basketball program but housed a D3 football program at least into the 80s and maybe after that. They were a D3 power when HC plucked Rick Carter from them back in '81. You can move any other sport to D1 if you're a D2 or D3 program except football and basketball. The Dayton Rule is also what prohibited HC WIH from competing in the NCAA D3 tournament. I think it was also one of the main drivers of HC joining the MAAC hockey league back in '98 (?) b/c before that the program was competing against D2 and D3 programs.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 31, 2019 9:16:18 GMT -5
The rules forced the schools to become D1AA. A couple ended up in the Patriot League, of course. Several ended up in the Pioneer League (like Dayton). Most didn't go the scholarship route creating, in effect, a D1AAA.
And, several after a few years (St. John's, Siena) gave up the sport.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 1, 2020 15:01:11 GMT -5
I think there once was an official NCAA classification of 1-AAA...for schools that had D1 hoop but no football at all like PC, Gonzaga, Wichita St etc....not sure if it still exists.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 1, 2020 15:33:45 GMT -5
I think you're confusing it with your Automobile Club
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 2, 2020 8:31:28 GMT -5
I think there once was an official NCAA classification of 1-AAA...for schools that had D1 hoop but no football at all like PC, Gonzaga, Wichita St etc....not sure if it still exists. It exists but not as necessarily anything formal. It's more used just to denote those schools that don't sponsor football and is used more internally than anything else.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 2, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -5
Also Im not sure if youre allowed any more to move one mens and womens sport to DI. All the programs you mentioned are grandfathered in after the "Dayton rule" if I'm not mistaken. Johns Hopkins M/W Lax St. Lawrence and Clarkson M/W hockey LeMoyne Baseball and W LAX Lock Haven FH as was mentioned above Hobart mentioned above Dallas Jesuit baseball (and softball?) Wow! How did Dallas Jesuit end up in a Crossports thread? For the record, Dallas Jesuit is not grandfathered. It is a 6A school because the state classification board takes their attendance (1,107) and multiplies by 2 to approximate that of a coed school. They play in a district with the state's largest high school, Allen (2017 attendance: 6,664). Jesuit advanced to the football state regional finals (quarterfinals) in 2019 behind RB E.J. Smith, who signed with Stanford. (And as all-boys school, Jesuit has no softball team.)
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Post by sarasota on Jan 2, 2020 21:48:34 GMT -5
You really think the freakin Dayton Rule is good for colleges? It's good for The Monster Monopoly NCAA and the conferences themselves.....Not for the colleges....and don't tell me the colleges voted it in. I'm sure there's a hidden story to that. As I've said ad nauseam....HC is a prime example of how the Rule hamstrings colleges like HC. It prohibits HC from making a couple major changes....obvious changes....that would liberate HC's athletics program. I dream of the day the NCAA's stranglehold is broken.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 2, 2020 23:19:00 GMT -5
Also Im not sure if youre allowed any more to move one mens and womens sport to DI. All the programs you mentioned are grandfathered in after the "Dayton rule" if I'm not mistaken. Johns Hopkins M/W Lax St. Lawrence and Clarkson M/W hockey LeMoyne Baseball and W LAX Lock Haven FH as was mentioned above Hobart mentioned above Dallas Jesuit baseball (and softball?) Wow! How did Dallas Jesuit end up in a Crossports thread? For the record, Dallas Jesuit is not grandfathered. It is a 6A school because the state classification board takes their attendance (1,107) and multiplies by 2 to approximate that of a coed school. They play in a district with the state's largest high school, Allen (2017 attendance: 6,664). Jesuit advanced to the football state regional finals (quarterfinals) in 2019 behind RB E.J. Smith, who signed with Stanford. (And as all-boys school, Jesuit has no softball team.) 2 of my closest friends at HC were Dallas Jesuit alums..one a roommate in Lehy, Bill Young K....
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Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2020 23:37:13 GMT -5
You realize that the school in question should have read Dallas Baptist, a D1 baseball member of the Missouri Valley Conference?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 3, 2020 0:06:14 GMT -5
You realize that the school in question should have read Dallas Baptist, a D1 baseball member of the Missouri Valley Conference? That makes a lot more sense, but given the number of Jesuit kids that have gone to HC in recent years, I thought it was interesting.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 3, 2020 3:05:31 GMT -5
You really think the freakin Dayton Rule is good for colleges? It's good for The Monster Monopoly NCAA and the conferences themselves.....Not for the colleges....and don't tell me the colleges voted it in. I'm sure there's a hidden story to that. The colleges voted it in, and there is no hidden story. Just because the colleges had a different viewpoint than yours doesn't make it a wrong decision.
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Post by gks on Jan 3, 2020 7:26:13 GMT -5
You really think the freakin Dayton Rule is good for colleges? It's good for The Monster Monopoly NCAA and the conferences themselves.....Not for the colleges....and don't tell me the colleges voted it in. I'm sure there's a hidden story to that. As I've said ad nauseam....HC is a prime example of how the Rule hamstrings colleges like HC. It prohibits HC from making a couple major changes....obvious changes....that would liberate HC's athletics program. I dream of the day the NCAA's stranglehold is broken. Schools are free to leave the NCAA. NAIA is an alternative (although unrealistic). The rules are made by member colleges and universities. Any member is free to propose a change.
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Post by HC16 on Jan 3, 2020 8:51:50 GMT -5
I dream of the day the NCAA's stranglehold is broken. Keep rolling that rock up the hill Sisyphus. Someday you'll reach the top.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2020 11:43:44 GMT -5
I dream of the day the NCAA's stranglehold is broken. Keep rolling that rock up the hill Sisyphus. Someday you'll reach the top. I do wonder how this "pay the athlete for his/her likeness" scenario is going to play out. I do see this possibly creating another division or a split of the elite athletic programs from the NCAA.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 4, 2020 0:48:53 GMT -5
One of the major things I learned in my somewhat lengthy life is that Power Corrupts, and concentrated power corrupts absolutely. It's not that hard for power elites to make their minions appear to be democratic. You don't have to guess. Just look at the Dayton Rule on its face with an open mind. The schools that are victims of it are NOT the power conference schools. timholycross- You can't even see "the hill."
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 4, 2020 9:16:00 GMT -5
tim did not mention "the hill." He was quoting another poster. Ready, fire, aim.
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