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Post by bison137 on Jan 4, 2020 10:27:19 GMT -5
Just look at the Dayton Rule on its face with an open mind. The schools that are victims of it are NOT the power conference schools. timholycross- You can't even see "the hill." Nor do the power conferences gain by the Dayton Rule. They were completely disinterested in it. It was proposed and pushed by a collection of D2/D3 schools. They found that schools like Dayton who were gaining publicity and name recognition for their D1 basketball prowess had an unfair advantage in football recruiting over the great majority of D2/D3 schools. They also contended that some of those D1 schools with D3 football had better athletic facilities in general. Almost all of the D1 schools, and certainly all of the P5 schools, had no dog in the hunt. So the "victims" were a small number of schools who combined D1 basketball with D3 football. The "winners" were a large number of D2/D3 schools that had to compete against schools with a D1 name and publicity, and perhaps D1 facilities.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 4, 2020 12:17:19 GMT -5
Just look at the Dayton Rule on its face with an open mind. The schools that are victims of it are NOT the power conference schools. timholycross- You can't even see "the hill." Nor do the power conferences gain by the Dayton Rule. They were completely disinterested in it. It was proposed and pushed by a collection of D2/D3 schools. They found that schools like Dayton who were gaining publicity and name recognition for their D1 basketball prowess had an unfair advantage in football recruiting over the great majority of D2/D3 schools. They also contended that some of those D1 schools with D3 football had better athletic facilities in general. Almost all of the D1 schools, and certainly all of the P5 schools, had no dog in the hunt. So the "victims" were a small number of schools who combined D1 basketball with D3 football. The "winners" were a large number of D2/D3 schools that had to compete against schools with a D1 name and publicity, and perhaps D1 facilities. So you don't think HC is disadvantaged by the Dayton Rule, right? Stop the obfuscation and misdirection. Just answer the question.
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Post by gks on Jan 4, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -5
Was the Dayton rule a problem for HC when Willard was here?
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Post by sarasota on Jan 4, 2020 13:55:01 GMT -5
Yes. Check out the win-loss records of HC's minor sports teams in those years (which continues to this day).
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Post by hc87 on Jan 4, 2020 14:16:19 GMT -5
HC football and hoop were hurt by joining the PL, the Dayton Rule was the cherry on top of our deemphasis in those sports sundae.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2020 22:32:02 GMT -5
tim did not mention "the hill." He was quoting another poster. Ready, fire, aim. Yeah, I think my reply was to the D1AAA comment which really wasn't Sarasota's.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 8, 2020 0:03:59 GMT -5
The dilemma of chronic losing in our minor sports should gradually improve. Our peer group of mid-major D-1 is growing quite nicely with recent D-1 arrivals Bryant, UMass Lowell and Merrimack all within an hours drive. And with D-1AAA coverage, we get free road service if the bus breaks down.
We have the Luth, minor sports such as Golf, Tennis, Swimming get to play D-2,3 regional opponents during their OOC schedule and student athlete applicants are reportedly a cut above applicants as a whole in academics and ability to pay.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 9, 2020 15:48:42 GMT -5
Nor do the power conferences gain by the Dayton Rule. They were completely disinterested in it. It was proposed and pushed by a collection of D2/D3 schools. They found that schools like Dayton who were gaining publicity and name recognition for their D1 basketball prowess had an unfair advantage in football recruiting over the great majority of D2/D3 schools. They also contended that some of those D1 schools with D3 football had better athletic facilities in general. Almost all of the D1 schools, and certainly all of the P5 schools, had no dog in the hunt. So the "victims" were a small number of schools who combined D1 basketball with D3 football. The "winners" were a large number of D2/D3 schools that had to compete against schools with a D1 name and publicity, and perhaps D1 facilities. So you don't think HC is disadvantaged by the Dayton Rule, right? Stop the obfuscation and misdirection. Just answer the question. The Dayton Rule is the least of Holy Cross' athletic issues and has way less of an impact, negative or positive, on HC's athletic fortunes than you're making it out to be. While the NCAA isn't perfect by any stretch, you've completely bought into the whole "NCAA is evil" narrative that some love to trot out in the media. Do your homework, listen to those who are more informed than you are about it and stop parroting some of the garbage you see and hear on TV.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 9, 2020 21:58:49 GMT -5
So you don't think HC is disadvantaged by the Dayton Rule, right? Stop the obfuscation and misdirection. Just answer the question. The Dayton Rule is the least of Holy Cross' athletic issues and has way less of an impact, negative or positive, on HC's athletic fortunes than you're making it out to be. While the NCAA isn't perfect by any stretch, you've completely bought into the whole "NCAA is evil" narrative that some love to trot out in the media. Do your homework, listen to those who are more informed than you are about it and stop parroting some of the garbage you see and hear on TV. I have never heard the NCAA bashing on the media to which you refer. As is true in so many issues, one doesn't need to get into the weeds to discover the truth. Just observe things carefully, then step back to get the big picture. The reason you don't think the Dayton Rule is such a disadvantage for HC is that you have never seriously thought about how HC's world could be without the Rule.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 10, 2020 7:44:26 GMT -5
The Dayton Rule is the least of Holy Cross' athletic issues and has way less of an impact, negative or positive, on HC's athletic fortunes than you're making it out to be. While the NCAA isn't perfect by any stretch, you've completely bought into the whole "NCAA is evil" narrative that some love to trot out in the media. Do your homework, listen to those who are more informed than you are about it and stop parroting some of the garbage you see and hear on TV. I have never heard the NCAA bashing on the media to which you refer. As is true in so many issues, one doesn't need to get into the weeds to discover the truth. Just observe things carefully, then step back to get the big picture. The reason you don't think the Dayton Rule is such a disadvantage for HC is that you have never seriously thought about how HC's world could be without the Rule. One doesn't have to give it much thought to realize it doesn't matter much. It's your opinion that it matters, but it's all speculation on your part and, in reality, not bloody likely to happen. If the Dayton Rule really mattered to HC, then either of the remaining two outcomes would be likely: 1. Holy Cross would drop altogether the sports that they'd move to D3 if the Dayton Rule wasn't in effect in order to get closer to the D1 minimum of 14 sports, or; 2. HC would go entirely to D3. Seeing as neither has happened, given that HC prides itself on being a Division 1 institution and that it's entirely likely that a serious consideration of a move to D3 would ignite a revolt amongst an already disillusioned alumni base still smarting over the abandoning of the Crusader iconography, please take my advice and stop giving so much consideration to something that has so little chance of happening.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2020 8:43:13 GMT -5
I had a friend from Arkansas who called that “flapping your gums.”😉
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