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Post by jsherman on Dec 28, 2019 3:57:14 GMT -5
Are we going to see a change for 2020?
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Post by sarasota on Dec 28, 2019 4:30:53 GMT -5
I just don't want to see CD at QB.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 28, 2019 7:23:20 GMT -5
No idea about OC; but whomever, he starts with a QB controversy & a need to work up a retooled running game
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Post by lou on Dec 28, 2019 8:11:14 GMT -5
After the first 3 games, we scored 20 or more points every week. Seems as though the OC did OK
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Post by breezy on Dec 28, 2019 8:15:11 GMT -5
RB -- Jordan Forrest showed tremendous potential in the limited time he got last year before suffering an injury around mid-season. Forrest, Oliver and Ezema would seem to be a more-than-adequate line-up at RB next year (barring injury). I do not discount the possibility that another RB will be recruited during the next recruiting period (leading up to the February signing period).
OC -- Perhaps it's just me, but there seems to be an impression on this board that the OC does whatever he pleases. In my view, this is incorrect, and the OC closely follows the game plan that the coaching staff, including Coach Chesney, puts together for each game. If Coach Chesney were to be unhappy with the performance of the OC, I suspect a change would be made. If no change is made, it tells me that Coach Chesney is satisfied with the OC's performance (notwithstanding the criticism on this board).
All of this, of course, is simply my opinion -- and is not based on any "inside" or non-public information.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 28, 2019 8:48:24 GMT -5
RB -- Jordan Forrest showed tremendous potential in the limited time he got last year before suffering an injury around mid-season. Forrest, Oliver and Ezema would seem to be a more-than-adequate line-up at RB next year (barring injury). I do not discount the possibility that another RB will be recruited during the next recruiting period (leading up to the February signing period). OC -- Perhaps it's just me, but there seems to be an impression on this board that the OC does whatever he pleases. In my view, this is incorrect, and the OC closely follows the game plan that the coaching staff, including Coach Chesney, puts together for each game. If Coach Chesney were to be unhappy with the performance of the OC, I suspect a change would be made. If no change is made, it tells me that Coach Chesney is satisfied with the OC's performance (notwithstanding the criticism on this board). All of this, of course, is simply my opinion -- and is not based on any "inside" or non-public information. Agree on all points re RBs and OC Imo for the moment, or until we ge another recruiting class that offers depth on both sides the Staff not just the OC have decided to run a conservative offense designed to score based on execution and safe enough not to beat you. Let the defense keep you in every game, offense score as it can and special teams be a difference maker. however Against teams that might be bigger, stronger, quicker and/or faster execution is not easy so the conservative offense is frustrating to watch anyway just another perspective
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2019 8:51:32 GMT -5
Well said, breezy.
First, while losing Domenic Cozier to graduation is a big loss to the running game, Peter Oliver did not appear to be “slow” and unquestionably no where near as fast as Dom, when he did break through the line, he was a lot harder to bring down,
I don’t think the issue in RB will be lack of talent more than how often the play calling utilizes them. With all the superior receiving talent already on the team and more coming via recruitment, I expect we will see even more passing. That of course depends on the talent level of whoever gets the QB job next season.
As for the OC, let’s see what Coach Chesney decides in the off season. Agree that whatever plays are called are not just on the OC but the head coach with ultimate authority/responsibility.
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Post by lou on Dec 28, 2019 9:11:18 GMT -5
I doubt the OC will get fired for winning the Patriot League championship. He would have had to have a firing issue to be let go...won't happen otherwise
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Post by HC92 on Dec 28, 2019 9:37:28 GMT -5
Forrest is going to be a beast next season. Opposing defensive players will be feeling Peter and Jordan-induced pains for weeks after we play them.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2019 10:11:43 GMT -5
Peter Oliver is not slow by any means. From his bio: "Tied the school record in the 55-meter dash (6.68 seconds)" in high school. That translates to a 4.44 40. I know that's a bit generous in that he started out of blocks instead of from a standing start and that he more yardage to employ his cruising speed. Still that's pretty darn fast and that was at age 17 or 18. Maybe he runs a 4.5 or 4.6 40. Check out his touchdown against Fordham at the link below--watch him outrun the Fordham defensive back. goholycross.com/watch/?Archive=541&type=ArchiveI agree with the guys above on Jordan Forrest--I think he could be a special back. We would have seen a lot more of him if Dom had not been so outstanding and so durable.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 28, 2019 10:49:15 GMT -5
After the first 3 games, we scored 20 or more points every week. Seems as though the OC did OK 20 points per game isn’t a very good barometer. 20 points ranked 101 of 124 FCS teams this season.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 28, 2019 10:54:35 GMT -5
After the first 3 games, we scored 20 or more points every week. Seems as though the OC did OK Maybe we would have scored 30+ with a better OC (and QB).
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 28, 2019 11:05:35 GMT -5
Murphy is executing what Ches wants. The lack of a legit 1AA-caliber QB on the roster is the real problem for the offense.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2019 11:14:03 GMT -5
FB style is not necessarily a measure of his speed. It is more a measure of a style - straight ahead as opposed to a slashing, juking or cutback style or a back who has the field vision and quickness to swing to the outside. We are all supporting Oliver, Forrest the other RB's as well as all the players and hoping for their continued success. LoveHC Right--by no means was I suggesting that Oliver is any way like DC as a runner--not as quick, not as shifty, maybe does not yet read blocks as well--but he is not slow and that was the point I was making.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2019 11:18:34 GMT -5
After the first 3 games, we scored 20 or more points every week. Seems as though the OC did OK 20 points per game isn’t a very good barometer. 20 points ranked 101 of 124 FCS teams this season. The statement is "20 or more points", not "averaged 20 points". In fact, we did score 20 or more points each of the last 9 games and averaged 29 points per game in that period. I think we had 2 or 3 defensive touchdowns, but the offense did score at a decent clip.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 28, 2019 11:27:29 GMT -5
20 points per game isn’t a very good barometer. 20 points ranked 101 of 124 FCS teams this season. The statement is "20 or more points", not "averaged 20 points". In fact, we did score 20 or more points each of the last 9 games and averaged 29 points per game in that period. I think we had 2 or 3 defensive touchdowns, but the offense did score at a decent clip. The offense averaged 22.8 PPG, which was good for 88 of 124 teams. Take out the two FBS games and the offense averaged 26 PPG, which would have been 67th nationally (note: this is with other team’s PPG factoring in games against FBS opponents.), which is still in the bottom half of FCS. I agree with breezy that this isn’t all on OC Murphy. He didn’t create this offense by himself and isn’t solely responsible for coming up with the offensive game plan each week. Chesney is, obviously, heavily involved. As I have said, our offense and play calling this season was a bit handcuffed due to the personnel at QB. Even with that said, I thought the offense was very unimaginative, overly conservative, and didn’t do a good job getting the ball to our most skilled offensive weapons. A new OC would advance the offense, IMO.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2019 11:31:38 GMT -5
Nice analysis and insights, SOV
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 28, 2019 12:04:47 GMT -5
Murphy is executing what Ches wants. The lack of a legit 1AA-caliber QB on the roster is the real problem for the offense. The lack of a legit 1AA-caliber QB on the roster is the real problem for the offense
sad but true. i can recall when the QB position was not the make or break player on the football team. the only style of football i see being played today from high school on up is "pro-style". kids coming up don't even know that there is any other way to play the game. with players focused on pursuing the dream of an NFL career no one can recruit unless their football program fits the mold.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2019 12:08:59 GMT -5
May I suggest caution with any QB criticism lest you receive a Kim-type Christmas-gift PM from an interested poster.
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Post by gks on Dec 28, 2019 12:10:50 GMT -5
Murphy is executing what Ches wants. The lack of a legit 1AA-caliber QB on the roster is the real problem for the offense. They are running the same style offense that was run at Assumption.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 28, 2019 12:23:33 GMT -5
QB CD may not have resembled "Chuckin' " Charlie Malloy last year but I thought he had a solid season in general, leading (mostly) the team to its 1st PL title in a decade.
At worst, we have 2 experienced QBs and a couple of underclassmen pushing them returning...not a terrible spot to be in.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2019 12:48:20 GMT -5
Oddly enough, in Patriot League play Connor Degenhardt was the conference leader in passing efficiency
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Post by HC92 on Dec 28, 2019 13:26:56 GMT -5
Out of 124 FCS teams, here’s how we ranked on a couple of offensive stats:
86th in total YPG 68th in passing ypg 81st in rushing ypg
If you adjust for SOS, we probably move up a little bit. Not a great offense by any means but also not quite as terrible as some here believe. Certainly room for improvement in 2020.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 28, 2019 13:56:25 GMT -5
Oddly enough, in Patriot League play Connor Degenhardt was the conference leader in passing efficiency Yes, but he was yanked very (IMHO) quickly in the playoff game v Monmouth. His stat line was bad for that game (7 attempts, 2 complete for a total of 11 yards, 2 interceptions, 1 sack and 0 TDs). Considine was 20 for 37 for 196 yards, 3TDs, 1 INT and 0 sacks. I found it interesting that Connor was yanked given that he played the entire previous game (v Georgetown). This tells me that, notwithstanding his PL leading passing efficiency, the starting QB position is completely up for grabs next year.
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Post by crossbball13 on Dec 28, 2019 14:01:47 GMT -5
Considine will be the starter
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