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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 29, 2019 18:26:55 GMT -5
Bringing back Murphy would be a big mistake.
The offense needs a fresh approach and, like Ed Orgeron bringing in Joe Brady at LSU to install fresh concepts, Chesney needs to bring in an OC who is capable of running an offense at the D1 level. There is nothing about Murphy’s resume or first two years at HC that would indicate he is capable of this.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 29, 2019 18:45:41 GMT -5
...and yet, Holy Cross, in PL play, led the conference in the following offensive categories
Scoring= 28.2 points per game= #1
Total Yardage= 409 yards per game= #1
Rushing= 5.0 yards/carry= #1 (#2= 3.8 yards/carry)
Passing= 8.1 yards/attempt= #1
Passing Efficiency= 135.4= #1
If Murphy is that bad of an offensive coordinator, we must have had extraordinary personnel to lead in all those categories
It's puzzling...….
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2019 18:52:39 GMT -5
Tallest midget, Kentucky.
There’s a reason we were blown out by Monmouth and outclassed in all of the OOC games with the exception of Brown and UNH — we beat UNH thanks to the defense, not offense.
If we are going to be a Top 25 program, which looks like is possible with Chesney’s strong recruiting, the offense needs to dramatically improve.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 29, 2019 19:02:04 GMT -5
...and yet, Holy Cross, in PL play, led the conference in the following offensive categories Scoring= 28.2 points per game= #1 Total Yardage= 409 yards per game= #1 Rushing= 5.0 yards/carry= #1 (#2= 3.8 yards/carry) Passing= 8.1 yards/attempt= #1 Passing Efficiency= 135.4= #1 If Murphy is that bad of an offensive coordinator, we must have had extraordinary personnel to lead in all those categories It's puzzling...…. Domenic Cozier — PL POY Remove Cozier’s outlier long plays from the offense and it’s a different story.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 29, 2019 21:54:06 GMT -5
...and yet, Holy Cross, in PL play, led the conference in the following offensive categories Scoring= 28.2 points per game= #1 Total Yardage= 409 yards per game= #1 Rushing= 5.0 yards/carry= #1 (#2= 3.8 yards/carry) Passing= 8.1 yards/attempt= #1 Passing Efficiency= 135.4= #1 If Murphy is that bad of an offensive coordinator, we must have had extraordinary personnel to lead in all those categories It's puzzling...…. Domenic Cozier — PL POY Remove Cozier’s outlier long plays from the offense and it’s a different story. You do know that you could say the same thing for every player on every team, right? Haven't we been through this before? The trouble with your argument is that those plays do count and that they were likely called by the OC. Should he not get credit for his biggest successes? I'm no great fan of the OC, but he certainly can make a fact-based argument that he has done well by the team.
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Post by cmo on Dec 29, 2019 22:27:52 GMT -5
Bringing back Murphy would be a big mistake. The offense needs a fresh approach and, like Ed Orgeron bringing in Joe Brady at LSU to install fresh concepts, Chesney needs to bring in an OC who is capable of running an offense at the D1 level. There is nothing about Murphy’s resume or first two years at HC that would indicate he is capable of this. just got back from the peach bowl. That offense was even more impressive in person. I don’t think it would be terribly difficult to implement at HC with the weapons we have coming, but we need a Joe Burrow / Dom Randolph.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2019 9:53:37 GMT -5
...and yet, Holy Cross, in PL play, led the conference in the following offensive categories Scoring= 28.2 points per game= #1 Total Yardage= 409 yards per game= #1 Rushing= 5.0 yards/carry= #1 (#2= 3.8 yards/carry) Passing= 8.1 yards/attempt= #1 Passing Efficiency= 135.4= #1 If Murphy is that bad of an offensive coordinator, we must have had extraordinary personnel to lead in all those categories It's puzzling...…. Domenic Cozier — PL POY Remove Cozier’s outlier long plays from the offense and it’s a different story. That is a good point. Cozier was an excellent (for PL) running back for us. There is nobody on the squad who projects (in terms of speed, agility, and strength) to fill his shoes or even projects as above average (for PL) next year. QB situation is odd in that the HC/OC did not demonstrate great confidence in either (see the Fordham double switcheroo and the Monmouth benching) QB late season. No doubt HC/OC dream of a thrower with footspeed materializing either out of the various returnees or via transfer. Chesney's upward trajectory would require winning more of the OOC schedule in 2020 and RB/QB questions are his biggest obstacle. IMHO his recruits elsewhere are more than up to the task.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 30, 2019 10:39:41 GMT -5
Domenic Cozier — PL POY Remove Cozier’s outlier long plays from the offense and it’s a different story. That is a good point. Cozier was an excellent (for PL) running back for us. There is nobody on the squad who projects (in terms of speed, agility, and strength) to fill his shoes or even projects as above average (for PL) next year. QB situation is odd in that the HC/OC did not demonstrate great confidence in either (see the Fordham double switcheroo and the Monmouth benching) QB late season. No doubt HC/OC dream of a thrower with footspeed materializing either out of the various returnees or via transfer. Chesney's upward trajectory would require winning more of the OOC schedule in 2020 and RB/QB questions are his biggest obstacle. IMHO his recruits elsewhere are more than up to the task. Did DC project as a future star early in his HC career? He was blocked by Gabe Guild and Diquan Walker who played ahead of him. Dom ran for 219 yards as a freshman (4.4/carry) and 216 as a soph (5.5/carry) and I don't recall anyone suggesting that we sit Walker or Guild to make DC the featured back. The point is that I think it is too early to draw any final conclusions on how good Jordan Forrest will be as a soph, junior, and senior. I also like Peter Oliver, a different style of back than DC, as we have discussed on this board. He won't run the way DC did but will contribute in other ways.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -5
That is a good point. Cozier was an excellent (for PL) running back for us. There is nobody on the squad who projects (in terms of speed, agility, and strength) to fill his shoes or even projects as above average (for PL) next year. QB situation is odd in that the HC/OC did not demonstrate great confidence in either (see the Fordham double switcheroo and the Monmouth benching) QB late season. No doubt HC/OC dream of a thrower with footspeed materializing either out of the various returnees or via transfer. Chesney's upward trajectory would require winning more of the OOC schedule in 2020 and RB/QB questions are his biggest obstacle. IMHO his recruits elsewhere are more than up to the task. Did DC project as a future star early in his HC career? He was blocked by Gabe Guild and Diquan Walker who played ahead of him. Dom ran for 219 yards as a freshman (4.4/carry) and 216 as a soph (5.5/carry) and I don't recall anyone suggesting that we sit Walker or Guild to make DC the featured back. The point is that I think it is too early to draw any final conclusions on how good Jordan Forrest will be as a soph, junior, and senior. I also like Peter Oliver, a different style of back than DC, as we have discussed on this board. He won't run the way DC did but will contribute in other ways. Note underline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 10:57:24 GMT -5
Bringing back Murphy would be a big mistake. The offense needs a fresh approach and, like Ed Orgeron bringing in Joe Brady at LSU to install fresh concepts, Chesney needs to bring in an OC who is capable of running an offense at the D1 level. There is nothing about Murphy’s resume or first two years at HC that would indicate he is capable of this. Yes sir.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 11:02:53 GMT -5
Tim DeMorat (Fordham) was the FIRST TEAM SELECTION. Tim DeMorat...
We haven't had a worse completion pct in 20 years (1999, who arguably was one of the worst QB's that ever played at HC). So, yes there is a lot of room for improvement and that process starts now.
Usually, All Patriot League selections don't get benched in the first half of a game.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 30, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -5
If we are aspiring to be a top PL program and better than Bucknell, Georgetown, Lafayette, et al, then I suppose Murphy will do just fine spearheading the offense.
But, I don't think that to be the case.
To become a "name" nationally and pick off opponents from other leagues on a regular basis, the offense is going to need to take multiple steps forward. I think that Chesney will continue to look for an FBS transfer to come in and immediately improve the QB position; it would also behoove him to shop around for a new OC. Here's to hoping he has some good meetings at the AFCA convention in Nashville with prospective candidates.
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Dec 30, 2019 12:30:09 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 30, 2019 12:30:09 GMT -5
Domenic Cozier — PL POY Remove Cozier’s outlier long plays from the offense and it’s a different story. You do know that you could say the same thing for every player on every team, right? Haven't we been through this before? The trouble with your argument is that those plays do count and that they were likely called by the OC. Should he not get credit for his biggest successes? I'm no great fan of the OC, but he certainly can make a fact-based argument that he has done well by the team. HC scored 24 or more points in 4 of 6 PL games (24, 24, 31, 49). Cozier rushed for 170, 155, 195, and 161 yards in those games, and had a run for over 50 yards in each game. In the other two games HC scored 21 and 20 points. Cozier rushed for 101 yards and 60 yards, and his long runs were 16 and 17 yards. There is a pretty direct correlation between Cozier's rushing yards and long runs and HC scoring 24+ points. Relying on (A) 150+ yards from an RB, (2) a run of over 50 yards from the RB, and (C) very little margin for error from the defense (scoring in the 20s is not a lot in today's college football) to win games going forward is not a winning formula. One other thing that jumped out at me looking back at the PL box scores is that we only completed 5 passes to Cozier in PL games, and a total of 9 passes to all RBs over those 6 games.
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Dec 30, 2019 17:46:20 GMT -5
Any truth to the rumour, per Fatam Breaston, that Chesney may be hiring fired Miami Dolphins OC, Chad O'Shea? Paperwork an contracts are being drafted up in Swords as I write and I hear an announcement will be happening soon
That's Gold, Jerry!
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Post by jsherman on Dec 31, 2019 1:12:13 GMT -5
All interesting arguments.
My thoughts: defense was key this year. Our offensive line held tough. We had a savior in cozier.
2020, we need dual threat qb. Need an oc that can play call for that qb.
Players like and respect the current oc. (From what I hear)
Chesney is a great recruiter. His strength on the field is defense. I think he needs strong support in offense.
I’m looking forward to seeing the spring game.
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Dec 31, 2019 1:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 31, 2019 1:28:11 GMT -5
Please keep posting, Sherman.
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Dec 31, 2019 1:34:23 GMT -5
All interesting arguments. My thoughts: defense was key this year. Our offensive line held tough. We had a savior in cozier. 2020, we need dual threat qb. Need an oc that can play call for that qb. Players like and respect the current oc. (From what I hear) Chesney is a great recruiter. His strength on the field is defense. I think he needs strong support in offense. I’m looking forward to seeing the spring game. What’s your take on the freshmen and incoming OL? They are big and seem highly touted. Strength may be an issue due to their age ie underclassmen vs stronger upperclassmen. Dunno. What do you think? Seems like we have some pretty good OL in the mix going forward to open up the running game. Jordan Forrest if he remains healthy will be a beast for the next 3 seasons in my opinion
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Dec 31, 2019 1:36:48 GMT -5
All interesting arguments. My thoughts: defense was key this year. Our offensive line held tough. We had a savior in cozier. 2020, we need dual threat qb. Need an oc that can play call for that qb. Players like and respect the current oc. (From what I hear) Chesney is a great recruiter. His strength on the field is defense. I think he needs strong support in offense. I’m looking forward to seeing the spring game. What would it take to hire Chad O’Shea from the Dolphins as the next OC?
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Dec 31, 2019 1:59:52 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 31, 2019 1:59:52 GMT -5
All interesting arguments. My thoughts: defense was key this year. Our offensive line held tough. We had a savior in cozier. 2020, we need dual threat qb. Need an oc that can play call for that qb. Players like and respect the current oc. (From what I hear) Chesney is a great recruiter. His strength on the field is defense. I think he needs strong support in offense. I’m looking forward to seeing the spring game. What would it take to hire Chad O’Shea from the Dolphins as the next OC? Is Pince available?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 31, 2019 2:19:19 GMT -5
Boston sports talk radio has O'Shea going to the Pats as OC to replace Josh McDaniels if Josh goes to Cleveland as Head Coach.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 31, 2019 10:00:01 GMT -5
All interesting arguments. My thoughts: defense was key this year. Our offensive line held tough. We had a savior in cozier. 2020, we need dual threat qb. Need an oc that can play call for that qb. Players like and respect the current oc. (From what I hear) Chesney is a great recruiter. His strength on the field is defense. I think he needs strong support in offense. I’m looking forward to seeing the spring game. What would it take to hire Chad O’Shea from the Dolphins as the next OC? Maybe 3X Coach Chesney's salary?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2019 10:17:24 GMT -5
Really, an NFL assistant coach working as an assistant to a D-IAA school? Maybe ND State and even that's a stretch. We couldn't even get Mark Duffner to come back as head coach much less as an assistant. Tip: If you are joking, as I think you are, it helps if you put an " ."
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 31, 2019 10:24:04 GMT -5
Really, an NFL assistant coach working as an assistant to a D-IAA school? Maybe ND State and even that's a stretch. We couldn't even get Mark Duffner to come back as head coach much less as an assistant. Tip: If you are joking, as I think you are, it helps if you put an " ." Really! are you surprised? this is just part of the nonstop doodling that consumes and apparently entertains many on crossports.
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Post by captainkarl on Dec 31, 2019 10:35:11 GMT -5
Really, an NFL assistant coach working as an assistant to a D-IAA school? Maybe ND State and even that's a stretch. We couldn't even get Mark Duffner to come back as head coach much less as an assistant. Tip: If you are joking, as I think you are, it helps if you put an " ." Really! are you surprised? this is just part of the nonstop doodling that consumes and apparently entertains many on crossports. Agreed. Grow up!
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 31, 2019 11:10:50 GMT -5
Really! are you surprised? this is just part of the nonstop doodling that consumes and apparently entertains many on crossports. Agreed. Grow up! "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!" Na-nana-naa-nah!
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