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Post by timholycross on Jan 5, 2020 0:32:47 GMT -5
64K is an insult unless there are some perks, like housing, car, etc.
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Post by jsherman on Jan 5, 2020 0:59:41 GMT -5
Seems to me that it is worth saying that coach Murphy was well liked and we should simply wish him the best in his future position. To me it sounds like he has a great opportunity ahead of him to make an impact!
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Post by bison137 on Jan 5, 2020 1:47:10 GMT -5
Considering how well he did as OC at Penn State, won’t he be a strong candidate for an FBS OC ? Yes. Or another HC job a level down from the SEC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 5, 2020 7:18:03 GMT -5
Head coaches salaries men's teams, for 2017-18.
School / number of full time head coaches / average salary per FTE (includes the salary of several part time head coaches other than at UNH) UNH / 6 / $203,000 (skiing has a full-time head coach) Colgate / 7 / $145,000 Dartmouth / 11 / $131,000 UMaine / 4 / $128,000 HC / 8 / $125,000
Note: All schools chosen because each plays football, basketball, and ice hockey. Head coach compensation for ice hockey at an FCS school is comparable to compensation for head coach for football. Probably not the case for HC.
Compensation levels for coaches at schools in a major metropolitan area are typically higher, because of cost of living. UNH coaches are making out like bandits because of no state income tax.
HC has part time head coaches for three sports. It appears these three coaches work less than half a year.
UNH has no part time assistants for football. This appears to be atypical. HC has three part time assistant coaches for football.
URI assistant coaches (all sports) average salary was less than $65,000. URI had more assistant coaches than the number of coaches included in the average salary computation. Maybe some work for less than peanuts in Kingston.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 5, 2020 8:38:17 GMT -5
We get it. This Board wants OC gone. You got your wish. "This board" does not have a census on much. There have been two (perhaps three) very vocal critics of Murphy from game #1 of the Chesney era, but "this board" (if that implies everyone here) did not necessarily want him gone. I did wonder about some first down calls, but I also enjoyed the huge comebacks the HC offense engineered. Not knowing who will next step into the position, I don't know if this move is good or bad for HC. I do know and respect Coach Chesney's ability to find talent so I am (for now) comfortable that he will do so again.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 5, 2020 9:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 5, 2020 11:18:09 GMT -5
The Title IX reports indicate there are 26 full time assistant coaches for the M/W teams, plus part-time assistants. As you indicated, football head coach gets $191,000. HC men's hoops $309,000 HC women's hoops $191,000 Dir Athletics $212,000 In the Title IX report, 21 is the number of assistant coaches, full and part time, for the men's teams. There are 17 assistant coaches for the women's teams. I can't explain the discrepancy from the budget document.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 5, 2020 11:53:54 GMT -5
Even after kicking back a sizable portion of his offered salary to spread around to assistants, given the # above, Ches still earns more than the Rhody head coach.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 5, 2020 12:25:30 GMT -5
URI made some upgrades to their stadium and the campus is very picturesque. That said, though I very much hope their football program continues on, it was on thin ice not too long ago because of the RI budget situation. Also, I could really care less how many posters wanted the OC to leave or stay. We’re just giving our opinions (facts can marshaled to support either opinion), and I thought our offense underperformed. Some disagree that it was primarily the OC’s fault. Not my view but a reasonable case can be made in the other direction. It’s a message board with lots of passion.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 5, 2020 12:51:16 GMT -5
Looking forward to a more consistent, fluid offense in play calling. Hoping more audible calls by quarterback will occur at line of scrimmage based on placement of defensive players.
I believe the OC position at URI pays $110,000 - surely an upward movement from Holy Cross. The overall salary or compensation package for football coaches need to be improved to hold onto deserving coaches. The teaching positions pay a lot more than the athletic positions with less monthly responsibilities.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 5, 2020 12:55:34 GMT -5
I'd love to see UNH and URI on our football schedule each year.
FWIW, Stony Brook University's longtime football coach, Chuck Priore, made 418K last year (a few dollars more than SUNY Buffalo's coach). Don't know if that is base pay or that is total earnings.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 5, 2020 13:36:58 GMT -5
Looking forward to a more consistent, fluid offense in play calling. Hoping more audible calls by quarterback will occur at line of scrimmage based on placement of defensive players. I believe the OC position at URI pays $110,000 - surely an upward movement from Holy Cross. The overall salary or compensation package for football coaches need to be improved to hold onto deserving coaches. The teaching positions pay a lot more than the athletic positions with less monthly responsibilities. The overall salary or compensation package for football coaches need to be improved to hold onto deserving coaches.
AMEN!!! btw, i suspect that the success of the crusader football program under coach chesney has already resulted in an increase in school pride and matching donations from alumni, etc.
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Post by purple1 on Jan 5, 2020 14:39:15 GMT -5
There are two immediate avenues to take for increased funding to coaches compensation. First, endowment funding by alumni, an aggressive campaign to raise $20M - $30M specific for football compensation. Second, play 2 FBS pay games per year, with a percentage of funds directly going to football compensation. This gives exposure to program, challenge to football team, alumni interest, general admission's exposure for Holy Cross, opportunity for development department and cash funding for athletic program. Do not rely on funds from college budget - be specific with your donation to be used the way you feel is most warranted.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 5, 2020 14:45:50 GMT -5
Offer $1MM bonus to Chez if he stays 4 more years
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 5, 2020 14:53:34 GMT -5
It won't happen, but I do like the way you think!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 5, 2020 16:42:40 GMT -5
Fiscal year 2016 (most recent year for which I can find this data).
Total coaches compensation by sport (head coach and assistants) median value all FCS
Football $921,000 Mens basketball $536,000 Ice Hockey $459,000 Lacrosse $293,000 Wrestling $230,000 Baseball $208,000 All other men's sports > $200,000 _______________ Women's basketball $187,000 Women's Ice hockey $160,000 All other sports > $100,000 ___________________ ___________________
Holy Cross 2017-18 Total salaries for coaches men's teams $2,193,000 Total salaries for coaches women's teams $1,407,000
Colgate, Men's $2,393,000 Women's $1,624,000
Sacred Heart Men's $2,173,000 Women's $1,916,000
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 5, 2020 16:43:10 GMT -5
moose - I agree with you in principle. But, where is HC going to get the money. Cutbacks?If so, where? Additional funding? How? Repeat. I do agree with you as I usually do but these questions and others remain unanswered. LoveHC my "suspicion" is that school fund raising has increased directly in response to the success of the football program. i do not have the figures. just a guess on my part. i do not think that we will win the pl title each year but do expect that we will be in the running under coach chesney. coach chesney is a keeper. if the school makes a public commitment to him that may go a long way in helping him secure an oc, etc. it will be a statement that crusader football is for real!!!! or, where there is a will there is a way.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 5, 2020 18:42:40 GMT -5
moose - I agree. Empty the vault. Back up the truck. Make it rain. Do what ya' gotta' do. Make it right. In other words sit down with coach. Find out what it would take for him to stay. And do it - salary & expense account, assistants, control over the program, larger recruiting, budget, facilities, scheduling, etc . Change the name to Chesney Stadium. Erect a statue. Pay for wife's plastic surgery, kids' braces. Do whatever it takes. Get the job done. But maintain academic standards. How does that grab you? LoveHC How does that grab you?
i draw the line at his wife's plastic surgery. i still think that what they were willing to pay to get a D-1 head coach before settling on chesney is a good way to approach it. (again, assuming that assumption college coach chesney did not have the negotiating power of a D-1 coach and accepted less.)
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Post by hc2020 on Jan 6, 2020 12:04:04 GMT -5
BC making a move to hire its new OC:
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Post by hchoops on Jan 6, 2020 12:08:02 GMT -5
I believe Cignetti was fired Joe Moorhead’s OC at Miss State
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Post by rickii on Jan 6, 2020 14:08:41 GMT -5
Approving a game plan and calling individual plays can be two different things. Sorry but our play calling wasn’t very good despite the constant happy talk of some posters. I find it an excellent sign that Chesney sees the need for change. He’s showing real leadership and ownership of the program. So your suggesting Murphy was fired by Chesney ?
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Post by gks on Jan 6, 2020 14:40:26 GMT -5
Approving a game plan and calling individual plays can be two different things. Sorry but our play calling wasn’t very good despite the constant happy talk of some posters. I find it an excellent sign that Chesney sees the need for change. He’s showing real leadership and ownership of the program. Do you have intel that he was fired? He moved up and probably got a decent to big raise.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 6, 2020 14:50:33 GMT -5
I have a hard time understanding the visceral nature of some of these posts. While I'll admit I questioned some (many?) of the offensive play calls the past couple of seasons, Coach Murphy is gone.
Love him or hate him; left on his own or pushed out the door; he's gone.
If you don't think the play calling was his fault, then wish him well and good luck at URI (until and if we ever get them on the schedule).
If you think the play calling was all his fault, then be grateful that he's gone. So, either be happy for him or be happy for yourself.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2020 15:16:50 GMT -5
Nice logic, sader70! I have to agree. The continuing invective is hard to explain. Perhaps some folks are upset that HC kept winning with the offense coordinated by someoney they felt (and said) was ineffective in his play calling. OK. Understood, now get over it.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 6, 2020 15:58:40 GMT -5
This is one of the very few places left where I feel "young"
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