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Post by purplehaze on Aug 30, 2016 9:03:05 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 30, 2016 12:42:02 GMT -5
The Fox Sports Big East deal is for 12 years and a total of $500 million. I would expect Fox gets little in the way of advertising revenue,, given the average viewership of 93,000 for a basketball game. Fox Sports One reaches 83 million households. (Fox gets 0.98 cents a month per subscriber, which isn't chump change. But Fox is spending $45 million a year just on broadcast rights, for a very low audience share.)
Roughly, one in a thousand households with Fox Sports ! watch a Big East basketball game. If there were 200,000 households in Worcester County with Fox Sports, 200 of them would be watching a BE game.
So, I doubt Fox would sweeten the pot for UConn.
And UConn will likely have the same difficulty as UMass in finding a FBS conference willing to take them on as a football-only.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 30, 2016 12:48:39 GMT -5
UConn, UMass & HC all put (leave) their fball teams in a fball-only conference and all three join Big East? Crazy?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 30, 2016 22:32:57 GMT -5
UConnvict has (and always had) zero shot of getting a B12 nod despite what their honks think.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 31, 2016 10:50:54 GMT -5
This is what I don't understand. If UConn got in the Big East, they would either be an independent in football (not recommended by anyone) or, according to the article, try to get in the Mountain West, Sun Belt, Mid American or CUSA. Geographically the Mountain West is a no-brainer (as in "No!") and the others have as much drawing power as the CAA; all are worse than the league they'd be leaving. So why change?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 31, 2016 11:32:10 GMT -5
UConn in 2014-15 'lost' about $6 million on football, and a bit under $2 million on M/W basketball.
Total expenses all sports = $49.1 million Football expenses = $14.2 million M/W basketball expenses = $15.2 million.
Total revenue all sports = $23.4 million Football revenue = $8.3 million M/W basketball revenue = $13.6 million. (W hoops at UConn lost $2.7 million
Total expenses, athletics = $72 million.
I think UConn is desperate to find a conference with a large-sized broadcast rights package for football. That's the only way they can materially cut their losses (other than dropping to FCS). ________________________
For comparison, BC's football revenue was $27.2 million.
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Post by alum on Aug 31, 2016 12:18:18 GMT -5
This is what I don't understand. If UConn got in the Big East, they would either be an independent in football (not recommended by anyone) or, according to the article, try to get in the Mountain West, Sun Belt, Mid American or CUSA. Geographically the Mountain West is a no-brainer (as in "No!") and the others have as much drawing power as the CAA; all are worse than the league they'd be leaving. So why change? I think that there are two other answers to this question beyond the financial ones discussed by PP. 1. Basketball is king. Football has just not taken hold. Every sports fan in CT can recite the names of ten members of the Husky men's basketballl team and eight members of the women's basketball teams. A very small percentage (not including me) can name 10 members of the 80 member football team. 2. They are willing to travel for football because they will have to do so. I think that they would like to reduce the travel to schools few people care about for soccer, volleyball, track, etc.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 31, 2016 13:01:21 GMT -5
This is what I don't understand. If UConn got in the Big East, they would either be an independent in football (not recommended by anyone) or, according to the article, try to get in the Mountain West, Sun Belt, Mid American or CUSA. Geographically the Mountain West is a no-brainer (as in "No!") and the others have as much drawing power as the CAA; all are worse than the league they'd be leaving. So why change? Because they are currently in a crappy conference with no rivals, no fan interest and ridiculous travel burdens for all sports. In the new world order, they'd be in a crappy conference with no rivals, no fan interest and ridiculous travel burdens for only one sport.
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Post by Tom on Aug 31, 2016 13:13:43 GMT -5
UConn in 2014-15 'lost' about $6 million on football, and a bit under $2 million on M/W basketball. M/W basketball expenses = $15.2 million. M/W basketball revenue = $13.6 million. (W hoops at UConn lost $2.7 million Semi off topic, but I'm a little surprised that UConn men's hoops only turned a profit of 1.1 million. I would have guessed more for a school with two national titles in the last 10
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 31, 2016 13:15:35 GMT -5
agree, 92 the status quo in the 'aac' is not workable going forward. football averaged about 28000 last year for a team that went to a bowl (albeit a marginal one). i know they are desperate to increase their season ticket numbers for football but so far have made a dent in that area. it would be a bitter pill to swallow to basically give up on the power 5 dream but m&w basketball (and every other sport) would benefit to be back in the big east.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 31, 2016 14:26:48 GMT -5
Tom, my guess is that UConn is still paying Calhoun deferred compensation and he is not "giving back one thin dime." (I joke)
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Post by sarasota on Aug 31, 2016 15:18:10 GMT -5
College Football in New England will never eclipse college bball....thanks to what HC started in the 40s and 50s.....with the possible exception of when Harvard plays Yale in fball.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 31, 2016 15:18:49 GMT -5
College Football in New England will never eclipse college bball....thanks to what HC started in the 40s and 50s.....with the possible exception of when Harvard plays Yale in fball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 31, 2016 15:57:32 GMT -5
How does one delete one of his posts? Click on the little "gear" icon in the upper right hand corner of the post and a drop down menu will let you delete the post
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Post by sarasota on Aug 31, 2016 19:48:43 GMT -5
THX
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Post by hc87 on Aug 31, 2016 20:36:13 GMT -5
It's a tough call....I'd say college hoop rules Southern NE (UConn, URI and PC) and college hockey rules Greatah Boston and points North in NE.
College football is basically an after- thought in much of NE. BC has had their moments in the past 25-30 years but in 2016, it may be one of the least passionate areas in the country (like much of the Northeast) for college football.
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Post by sarasota on Aug 31, 2016 22:48:12 GMT -5
My theory has been that what makes New England unique when it comes to low interest in fball is the prevalence in NE of the private colleges. In the rest of the country, the public universities dominate and they can afford big time fball. There are exceptions, of course, e.g.,Notre Dame, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 1, 2016 5:10:53 GMT -5
As for college hoops in New England, in 2015-16, only two New England schools cracked the top 100 in average attendance: UConn at #40, and Providence at #44. New England is no great shakes in college hoops interest these days.
Average attendance, 2015-16, Div I Massachusetts schools BC 3411 UMass 3365 Harvard 1845 Northeastern 1786 HC 1611 BU 700
^^^^ All the above schools (except Harvard) have at least 3x the undergraduate enrollment of HC. ____________________________
Tom, if one doesn't play in a conference with generous broadcast revenue, very difficult to be a high major and make money. There are exceptions; e.g., if you own your own, large-seating-capacity, venue (e.g., Dayton), or pay little rental for a non-school-owned venue (Marquette).
Georgetown's men's hoops expenses were nearly $11 million, and it lost money, --even with a $4+ million payout from Fox Sports, and 8,500 average attendance.
Notre Dame lost $3.2 million on men's hoops in 2015-16, playing in the ACC and its own venue with an average attendance of 8,500. On the other hand, Notre Dame football had a $54 million profit.
University of Miami lost $3 million on men's hoops, had a profit of $12 million in football. Football rules in Division I. Every other sport is secondary.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 1, 2016 6:39:21 GMT -5
You say that like it is a bad thing. For Holy Cross, while I would like to see success for all our athletic teams, football and basketball are the ones I would most like to see have success. Basketball edges out football in importance only because while we talk about being mid-major/low mid-major, in reality for now, there is technically no such thing and we can play for the same national title as the big boys at the end of the year (not that we will ever win that again). But a national title in football will still bring much pride to Holy Cross and some recognition. Hockey, baseball and soccer come next in my hierarchy of sports on the hill but down a notch. I don't disagree that we would have the best shot at an NCAA title in hockey with some extra effort (and funds) but that would enhance the school's name recognition in limited areas of the country, especially New England where we are already well known.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 1, 2016 11:30:05 GMT -5
agree, 92 the status quo in the 'aac' is not workable going forward. football averaged about 28000 last year for a team that went to a bowl (albeit a marginal one). i know they are desperate to increase their season ticket numbers for football but so far have made a dent in that area. it would be a bitter pill to swallow to basically give up on the power 5 dream but m&w basketball (and every other sport) would benefit to be back in the big east. Yes, which sez to me that they are better off cutting their losses and going back to FCS football (and rejoining the Big East).
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Post by timholycross on Sept 1, 2016 11:34:16 GMT -5
According to ESPN, the alleged dozen still in the running.
Remember too, they could go to 12, 14 or just be bluffing and stay with 10.
Air Force BYU Central Florida Cincinnati Colorado State Connecticut Houston Rice South Florida SMU Temple Tulane
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 17, 2016 12:44:48 GMT -5
the big 12 will make an announcement late today regarding expansion (2 schools, 4 schools, or nothing). more than likely, uconn will be left out in the cold again. still believe they should approach the big east and find a conference for football only. the status quo in the aac does not work.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 17, 2016 17:53:56 GMT -5
The Big 12 has decided against adding more members.
Supposedly no consensus on who to add.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2016 18:46:33 GMT -5
Houston, among others, must be very disappointed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 18, 2016 5:29:20 GMT -5
IMO, to justify expansion and not dilute broadcast revenue (which is likely to be leaner when rights are renewed) the Big 12 needs to expand into larger markets. On that basis, I would have picked Cincinnati, a Florida school, UConn, and Houston (?). West Virginia buys them nothing. and having a conference comprised of schools in TX, OK, and KS is creating a regional conference with narrow appeal.
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