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Post by trimster on Feb 12, 2020 21:07:25 GMT -5
Did Lehigh just score again or did the final buzzer sound to make them stop? Cohen was holding the ball Watched the last ten minutes. I think Pridgen had 15 during that span. They did allow spectators tonight right?
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Post by lou on Feb 12, 2020 21:08:56 GMT -5
Faw sat too long. We can lose whether these guys sit or play, so Nelson might as well go crazy and try playing them instead of sitting them for so long. Nothing wrong with trying something different
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 12, 2020 21:15:49 GMT -5
Did Lehigh just score again or did the final buzzer sound to make them stop? Cohen was holding the ball That was a rhetorical question by Debbie Downer.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 12, 2020 21:16:35 GMT -5
Vegas had Lehigh as 8 pt favorites - LeSann’s late basket flips the winners from Lehigh to HC - amazing how close the oddsmakers are on so many games
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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 12, 2020 21:16:58 GMT -5
Going back to the double flagrant involving JP... Granted JP hit the LU defender's head (back side) trying to feel where he was, but the defender immediately grabbed his left eye like he got hit in the eye... our opponents are masters at flopping and sucking the refs in with this sort of thing. Seen it happen too many times.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 12, 2020 21:26:08 GMT -5
It wouldn't have helped the team because he would have gotten tossed, but Mike Vicens would have got a couple good shots in on #20 before anyone stepped in.
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Post by possum on Feb 12, 2020 21:40:32 GMT -5
These are two really terrible defensive teams, neither can guard without fouling. Wade gets to play 40 minutes no matter how unproductive he is, 1-7 from the field 1-5 from beyond the arc, he doesn't rebound and can't handle the ball. He'd have to be Gary (the glove) Payton on defense to justify the minutes he's getting.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 12, 2020 21:43:38 GMT -5
...or, the way things have gone for HC, be breathing and vertical...having shown the shot he can show at times.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 12, 2020 22:06:55 GMT -5
These are two really terrible defensive teams, neither can guard without fouling. Wade gets to play 40 minutes no matter how unproductive he is, 1-7 from the field 1-5 from beyond the arc, he doesn't rebound and can't handle the ball. He'd have to be Gary (the glove) Payton on defense to justify the minutes he's getting. You say that as if there are other options sitting on the bench behind him. Virtually the exact same thing could be said about Butler, just subbing out “unproductive” with “inefficient.” Wade is a freshman who is being forced to play far more minutes than he would be on a good team, but all that really matters is that he takes it as a learning experience, attacks the offseason, and makes a big Frosh-to-Soph jump. To say Carmody left the cupboard bare would be the understatement of the century.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 12, 2020 22:09:08 GMT -5
Cohen was holding the ball That was a rhetorical question by Debbie Downer. We gave up 89 points in regulation to a bad basketball team. I’m just stating what should be fairly obvious that Nelson is showing early signs of not being able to teach defense. However, the offense has been better as the season has progressed. Did Lehigh just score again?
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Post by possum on Feb 12, 2020 22:09:45 GMT -5
RGS there's no reason LeSann can't get some of Wade's minutes if he's not productive. When your offensive game consists almost entirely on 3 point shooting you need to be hitting much higher than 30% of your shots.
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Post by possum on Feb 12, 2020 22:13:17 GMT -5
BBC if Carmody was still here you'd be saying what a terrible recruit Wade was, I'm hopeful that Nelson will turn things around but you seem to have blinders on where he's concerned.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 12, 2020 22:20:01 GMT -5
That was a rhetorical question by Debbie Downer. We gave up 89 points in regulation to a bad basketball team. I’m just stating what should be fairly obvious that Nelson is showing early signs of not being able to teach defense. However, the offense has been better as the season has progressed. Did Lehigh just score again? He has one guy on the roster who is a capable defender, and that player is a freshman. There’s a difference between “teaching defense” and being a miracle worker. We’ll see if he can “teach defense” when he has some more D1 players on the roster.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 12, 2020 22:31:01 GMT -5
BBC if Carmody was still here you'd be saying what a terrible recruit Wade was, I'm hopeful that Nelson will turn things around but you seem to have blinders on where he's concerned. If Carmody was still the coach, I’d be anticipating that Wade would follow the path of literally every other Carmody recruit and either not develop or get thrown off the team/out of school. I am hopeful that Nelson will turn over a new leaf and actually develop players. Fingers crossed!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 12, 2020 22:40:52 GMT -5
I’m thinking that Brett Nelson must be the best coach in the country, having only one Division-1 player on the team and yet managing to post 3 wins and keep us within striking distance in many other games...
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Post by hchoops on Feb 12, 2020 22:54:42 GMT -5
Any team , esp a D1 team, without any player even close to resembling a point guard is at a distinct disadvantage at both ends of the court in every single game
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Post by sarasota on Feb 13, 2020 0:54:37 GMT -5
IMHO we are still playing AAU-ball on offense. In our half court offense you never see us develop an "easy" shot. The fact that we scored 80+ points is testimony to how bad Lehigh's defense is.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2020 1:07:24 GMT -5
RGS there's no reason LeSann can't get some of Wade's minutes if he's not productive. When your offensive game consists almost entirely on 3 point shooting you need to be hitting much higher than 30% of your shots. When does Reilly's sentence in Witness Protection end?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 13, 2020 7:13:11 GMT -5
These are two really terrible defensive teams, neither can guard without fouling. Wade gets to play 40 minutes no matter how unproductive he is, 1-7 from the field 1-5 from beyond the arc, he doesn't rebound and can't handle the ball. He'd have to be Gary (the glove) Payton on defense to justify the minutes he's getting. To say Carmody left the cupboard bare would be the understatement of the century. I got an idea for this summer if you're up to it.
I want to take Green, Grandison, Hargis and Lowder and go on a barnstorming tour around the US, playing exhibitions against a bunch of non power conference schools. I'll be a Guy Lewis "roll the balls out" kind of coach. I like my foursome, just need a 5 man. How's your D? Can you score down on the low blocks? I'll call the team Carmody's Castaways, with the name emblazoned on the front of the jerseys. On the back, above the number it will read "Inherited by Nelson". But don't worry - you can wear yours inside out. You just might need to have thick skin if some message board posters say you're not D-1 quality. You in?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 13, 2020 7:50:26 GMT -5
Seriously speaking; they've just got to get better defensively, one way or the other. If it's at the same level a year from now, the staff will need to look at themselves imo.
Regarding RW, under most circumstances he wouldn't be getting close to 40 minutes. I too would like to see JR getting some burn, but maybe he's really regressed in practice. Maybe CBN feels like RW can take a big step next year and is trying to ramp him up as quickly as possible. I do remember that Cullen Hamilton had an 0-20 stretch on 3s at one point during his freshman season; next season he went for 35 in early season game against Sacred Heart. Maybe CLS should get more minutes; on the other hand, maybe he too becomes exposed if he's asked to do too much. If LY hadn't gotten hurt, I wonder if he could have snuck his way back into some regular minutes. Tough break for him.
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Post by dadominate on Feb 13, 2020 8:01:27 GMT -5
Any team , esp a D1 team, without any player even close to resembling a point guard is at a distinct disadvantage at both ends of the court in every single game this is the story of the season. it's not a knock on butler and lesann, who made the sacrifice for nelson and gave it their best despite playing deep out of position, but many of the pl games this year in which we were competitive and then lost could have been competitive wins if we actually had a point guard. nelson used his one get out of jail free card with the benching of lowder that was completely unrelated to his on the court play or the needs of the team. nelson won't get another pass like this if he can't get along with another very talented player upon whom the WHOLE TEAM depends. he will need to learn it's not always "my way or the highway" in 2020. some compromise and humility are necessary when rebuilding a program. one need look no further than the example recently discussed about what rw did with stowers. the one part of the book that was not brought much to light that i alluded to is that rw made it pretty clear to stowers that he was not going to feature in the program's future which played a major role in his leaving the team, but rw had the humility to make the call to stowers and ask for his help after stowers had understandably left the team. it was a tough season, and stowers ultimately left again after they weathered the storm of injuries, but i always admired that act of humility in rw and enjoyed that uab win (listening on the real audio player internet radio back then!) about as much as any. in the back of my mind, i was hoping nelson would do something similar and that he and lowder rectify things, at least for the sake of the season that was essentially sacrificed (barring a truly miraculous run), but it wasn't meant to be. hopefully this was a learning experience for all involved, but the constant bs about nelson having no d1 players is ridiculous. every player on this team is dramatically affected by not having a point guard. of course, as we begin to improve next year ***WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A POINT GUARD***, we will hear how the savior nelson salvaged a trash heap of players from the evil, wretched carmody. the only trash is that line of thinking.
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Post by trimster on Feb 13, 2020 8:18:56 GMT -5
So I log into ESPN around 7:30 to check out the score. I see all four PL game scores, all with 12-13 minutes left in the half. I know the HC score was 29-24, Lehigh. The other 3 were all in the range of 15-14, 17-15 and 14-12. I thought, omg, we are going to give up over 120 points to a very bad basketball team. This is troubling.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 13, 2020 8:53:20 GMT -5
Any team , esp a D1 team, without any player even close to resembling a point guard is at a distinct disadvantage at both ends of the court in every single game this is the story of the season. it's not a knock on butler and lesann, who made the sacrifice for nelson and gave it their best despite playing deep out of position, but many of the pl games this year in which we were competitive and then lost could have been competitive wins if we actually had a point guard. nelson used his one get out of jail free card with the benching of lowder that was completely unrelated to his on the court play or the needs of the team. nelson won't get another pass like this if he can't get along with another very talented player upon whom the WHOLE TEAM depends. he will need to learn it's not always "my way or the highway" in 2020. some compromise and humility are necessary when rebuilding a program. one need look no further than the example recently discussed about what rw did with stowers. the one part of the book that was not brought much to light that i alluded to is that rw made it pretty clear to stowers that he was not going to feature in the program's future which played a major role in his leaving the team, but rw had the humility to make the call to stowers and ask for his help after stowers had understandably left the team. it was a tough season, and stowers ultimately left again after they weathered the storm of injuries, but i always admired that act of humility in rw and enjoyed that uab win (listening on the real audio player internet radio back then!) about as much as any. in the back of my mind, i was hoping nelson would do something similar and that he and lowder rectify things, at least for the sake of the season that was essentially sacrificed (barring a truly miraculous run), but it wasn't meant to be. hopefully this was a learning experience for all involved, but the constant bs about nelson having no d1 players is ridiculous. every player on this team is dramatically affected by not having a point guard. of course, as we begin to improve next year ***WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A POINT GUARD***, we will hear how the savior nelson salvaged a trash heap of players from the evil, wretched carmody. the only trash is that line of thinking. Your obsession with Lowder and seeming insistence that he did absolutely nothing wrong to make Nelson first suspend him for a half, and then suspend him for longer is getting silly. This was a program that had no discipline whatsoever for the previous 4+ years before Nelson arrived. Continuing to sacrifice a culture change for the sake of appeasing Lowder is not the way to run a program. Lowder, Wade, and Pridgen were all benched for the first half of the FAU game. They all got another chance after that game. Wade and Pridgen got the message, Lowder apparently did not. Despite how much you enjoyed watching him at Maryland, Lowder was not the savior for this program. And if he was as great as you claim, why hasn’t he found another home yet?
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Post by trimster on Feb 13, 2020 9:02:36 GMT -5
Box score says 752 attended last night’s game. Maybe the weather severely impacted attendance. My guess is the two teams point total totals exceeded the attendance. The same people who list player heights must be responsible for compiling attendance figures.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 13, 2020 9:38:05 GMT -5
No one goes to these midweek winter games - all four games last night announced crowds in the hundreds and all were exaggerated, IMO - army gets the honesty award announcing 460
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