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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2020 10:15:17 GMT -5
You seemed to have skipped from the 60's to Fr. B buildings. What about Figge, Williams, Smith, Stein, baseball stadium (thank you Hanover), soccer stadium? Perhaps others? Who (which President) gets "credit" for those? They must have also been "expensive." We should do a timeline to see under which president the campus had the most changes. Fr. Swords (unless he came later than I think) gets credit for a heck of a lot of buildings, I believe; pretty much responsible for the campus as most of us oldies knew it.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 15, 2020 10:21:09 GMT -5
You seemed to have skipped from the 60's to Fr. B buildings. What about Figge, Williams, Smith, Stein, baseball stadium (thank you Hanover), soccer stadium? Perhaps others? Who (which President) gets "credit" for those? They must have also been "expensive." Stein was in 1986 so Fr. Brooks gets "credit" for it. Williams, Figge, Smith were part of the last capital campaign so Fr. McFarland owns that as well as Smith Labs, which I think was a stand alone project outside of a formal larger capital campaign. As to the Holy Cross Fund itself, Fr. Boroughs became president in January 2012. The FY 2011 HC Fund (Year ending June 30, 2011) raised $8.8 million. Adjusted for inflation that's $10.01 Million in 2019 dollars. The FY 2019 HC Fund raised a record total and was over $10 million for the 3rd consecutive year. (On a quick search, I can't find specific dollars for the HC Fund the last couple of years.) So I'd say fund raising as measured by the HC Fund has grown slightly since Fr. Boroughs took over and fundraising for the Capital Campaign has clearly grown as The Become More campaign stands at $391 million according to the web site. www.holycross.edu/becomemore
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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2020 10:46:23 GMT -5
Brooks get credit for the original (and first remodeling of, I believe) Hart Center and the rebuilding of Fitton.
May not have been the buildings we wanted, but consider the alternatives: (1) Fitton, as it existed in its previous incarnation probably would have been condemned by the end of the 80s and (2) no one could or can make the case that the indoor athletic situation when Ron Perry arrived was in any way acceptable.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2020 11:38:34 GMT -5
Beating the poor, dead horse until it's near unrecognizable, the ceiling is only so high (which is pretty low in D1 in 2020) for HC hoop while playing in the PL...really not much TPB in Fenwick/O'Kane can do to change this outside of changing conference affiliations for basketball.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 15, 2020 11:50:10 GMT -5
Beating the poor, dead horse until it's near unrecognizable, the ceiling is only so high (which is pretty low in D1 in 2020) for HC hoop while playing in the PL...really not much TPB in Fenwick/O'Kane can do to change this outside of changing conference affiliations for basketball. Most would settle for what Bucknell has accomplished, this season notwithstanding.
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2020 12:23:42 GMT -5
Beating the poor, dead horse until it's near unrecognizable, the ceiling is only so high (which is pretty low in D1 in 2020) for HC hoop while playing in the PL...really not much TPB in Fenwick/O'Kane can do to change this outside of changing conference affiliations for basketball. Ralph Willard's teams, particularly from '01 to '07, brought a decent amount of national recognition to the college. Obviously, they did so while playing in the PL. It can be done.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 15, 2020 12:30:29 GMT -5
Beating the poor, dead horse until it's near unrecognizable, the ceiling is only so high (which is pretty low in D1 in 2020) for HC hoop while playing in the PL...really not much TPB in Fenwick/O'Kane can do to change this outside of changing conference affiliations for basketball. Ralph Willard's teams, particularly from '01 to '07, brought a decent amount of national recognition to the college. Obviously, they did so while playing in the PL. It can be done. The two advantages HC had at the time were: 1) A head start with scholarships, and 2) A brilliant basketball mind who also happened to be an alum was fired from Pittsburgh and conveniently was looking for another job when we were looking for a head coach. All I really want is for the program to return to competitive basketball.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 15, 2020 12:48:35 GMT -5
As a reminder.......HC is a virulently top down organization with the top occupied by one or more Jesuits. The BoD is carefully selected.....so as to follow orders. It's a rubber stamp. So I don't care if the BoD is 100% former athletes. It wouldn't make a difference. Our society is becoming more and more secular. What vitality there is among religionists in the U.S. is concentrated in the evangelical, etc. area, certainly not in traditional religions and most certainly not in Catholicism. So you have a Jesuit (and the Society of Jesus) running things in a secularizing society. Nobody expects the Jesuits and their constituency to abandon its religious mission, but it would help a lot if they would "soften" it. That's why having an appropriate image (nickname, logo, mascot) as well as having a lay person as President are more important than one might realize. There are threats ahead for H.C., perhaps not existential but certainly to quality, reputation, etc. If HC is to be preserved, it is not by sports but instead by its Endowment, which grows by way of donors, both individuals and corporations. They will be attracted by the quality of HC's education. I purposely say "education" and not "the HC experience" as some would say. Because so long as HC is an institution of higher learning, it's objective must be education--not moral formation, which is the proper role of The Family, The Church and the Seminary.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2020 13:08:47 GMT -5
'soften the mission" --you've got to be kidding. "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
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Post by sarasota on Feb 15, 2020 13:51:58 GMT -5
Is that a Biblical quotation? I meant soften the outward appearances, not the mission itself.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2020 16:55:05 GMT -5
You seemed to have skipped from the 60's to Fr. B buildings. What about Figge, Williams, Smith, Stein, baseball stadium (thank you Hanover), soccer stadium? Perhaps others? Who (which President) gets "credit" for those? They must have also been "expensive." Brooks would get credit for Stein and the Hiatt wings. McFarland for Figge and Williams and Smith Hall and Smith labs. Those four buildings total construction cost was under $150 million. The most expensive buildings are Prior ($107 million), Luth ($95 million), Smith Labs ($65 million). In today's dollars, building (replicating) Kimball, Dimand, and St. Joseph's would probably run $200 million plus,.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 15, 2020 23:49:11 GMT -5
Beating the poor, dead horse until it's near unrecognizable, the ceiling is only so high (which is pretty low in D1 in 2020) for HC hoop while playing in the PL...really not much TPB in Fenwick/O'Kane can do to change this outside of changing conference affiliations for basketball. Most would settle for what Bucknell has accomplished, this season notwithstanding. Mehhh...hardly anyone really cares at this level. It's generational to be sure, but most alumni that are 50+ or so, see HC hoop rivals as PC, BC, UConn etc.it's a hard sell to get many excited about PL play. I know that's the world we live in now...bur it's also why we draw less than a thousand fans even when we're decent in this era.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 16, 2020 0:14:14 GMT -5
Yeah - we know 87, we've heard it more than enough. Go to bed.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 16, 2020 0:19:21 GMT -5
Yeah - we know 87, we've heard it more than enough. Go to bed. It's Saturday night my brother....and everyone here in their heart of hearts knows I'm right....HC hoop in the PL will nevah move the needle.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 16, 2020 0:23:49 GMT -5
We get it. We just don't need to read it again and again and again. And again and again, and again from you.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 16, 2020 0:27:18 GMT -5
I didn't start this thread....just responding honestly...don't shoot me, just saying what many alumni of a certain age believe.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 16, 2020 0:40:33 GMT -5
You say the same thing every hoop thread, and have for the past ten years. We get it- ok.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 16, 2020 1:14:48 GMT -5
Most would settle for what Bucknell has accomplished, this season notwithstanding. Mehhh...hardly anyone really cares at this level. It's generational to be sure, but most alumni that are 50+ or so, see HC hoop rivals as PC, BC, UConn etc.it's a hard sell to get many excited about PL play. I know that's the world we live in now...bur it's also why we draw less than a thousand fans even when we're decent in this era. Sadly, it’s no longer the 70s, so we are playing in the sandbox we have chosen. When we were good in this era, the Hart actually averaged ~2,500/game, which is pretty damn good. Start winning 20 games a season again and they’ll come again.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 16, 2020 2:18:46 GMT -5
2500 are nevah coming out for a PL opponent in 2020....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 16, 2020 2:33:01 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 16, 2020 7:37:46 GMT -5
Note who’s shown as the third official in that game - Gene Steratore.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 16, 2020 9:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah - we know 87, we've heard it more than enough. Go to bed. It's Saturday night my brother....and everyone here in their heart of hearts knows I'm right....HC hoop in the PL will nevah move the needle. Well, while I am sure that everyone here in their "heart of hearts" knows you believe that. I can assure you you are wrong in my case, so it is not everyone. The PL is a good place for HC right now. If things improve and results change, we can see what the future holds. I also believe that HC fans root for HC regardless of opponent, but I certainly know you do not believe that, so I won't claim it is a "universal" belief. Be well.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 16, 2020 10:10:57 GMT -5
Brooks get credit for the original (and first remodeling of, I believe) Hart Center and the rebuilding of Fitton. May not have been the buildings we wanted, but consider the alternatives: (1) Fitton, as it existed in its previous incarnation probably would have been condemned by the end of the 80s and (2) no one could or can make the case that the indoor athletic situation when Ron Perry arrived was in any way acceptable. Dinard Library expansion... Swords Atrium & O'Callahan Science Library... replacing the campus perimeter cyclone fencing with wrought iron... replacing the diseased trees on Linden lane & completing the project to have the campus designated as an arboretum.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 16, 2020 11:06:06 GMT -5
FWIW - Swords is more than the Atrium. There's an actual building that was built between O'Neil & Haberlin.
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Post by gks on Feb 16, 2020 11:17:43 GMT -5
Patriot League or no Patriot League...for some reason (many listed here) multiple coaches can't recruit consistently here. That's the biggest problem.
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