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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2016 9:39:23 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed the major shift in frequency of posts on different threads? On the old board, posts to basketball far outnumbered (by several times) those on football. Now, on the new board, they are much closer to only 1.5 to 1. Is this because of increased interest in football or because there is less ongoing drama over hoops? As some have said elsewhere...winning seems to make everything look better.  |
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Post by joe on Sept 4, 2016 10:07:32 GMT -5
There's a lot more positivity and a lot less negativity, due primarily to the positive change on the hill and recent success of both teams. Also certain contrarian posters, who seemed more inclined to inhabit the basketball board, are gone.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 4, 2016 10:28:29 GMT -5
What Joe said, plus bear in mind it's FB season. When BB season starts, I'm sure BB posts will increase.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2016 10:35:31 GMT -5
We are going to tax the capacity of the servers when this team starts practicing and then playing basketball. Equilibrium will be restored. In the meantime, I think we'll be enjoying a solid football season and posting a lot about that sport
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2016 10:41:07 GMT -5
The basketball to football ratio was about 3.5 to 1. True, there are many more games in hoops but that ratio held even in football season.
I agree that the absence of some negative basketball posters does account for some of the difference. I do like the balance that the board now shows (with fewer making posts by people who seem to have little or nothing to say - except to rehash points already made many times). I hope the balance of this "new age" continues.
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Post by sarasota on Sept 4, 2016 11:15:26 GMT -5
I think we'd all be better off if we banished the word "hate" from the English language. A big factor was the visceral dislike (well earned) of the former bball coach.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 4, 2016 11:16:39 GMT -5
We will see if the positivity remains if/when we lose some football games
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 4, 2016 11:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2016 12:37:36 GMT -5
I think we'd all be better off if we banished the word "hate" from the English language. A big factor was the visceral dislike (well earned) of the former bball coach. My maternal grandmother always said that one should "never say hate!" Of course, I hated it when she said that. If you prefer "visceral dislike," I am OK with that. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 4, 2016 16:06:12 GMT -5
Well, 275 (almost 18%) of the posts on the Football board were made in the Morgan State game thread.
I suspect once we get thru basketball season, the ratios will be closer to the old board.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 4, 2016 16:39:08 GMT -5
Well, just to be a contrarian, I don't think many posters actually "hated" or had a "visceral dislike" of the last coach. Most of us thought he was very good, decent, honorable and likeable person (the players liked him for sure and, from what I understand, still do). But the vast majority of us thought he was not the coach that we needed to improve the program to the next level and he was given enough time to prove himself and did not. Just as most posters think that Coach Carmody is a significant improvement when it comes to coaching with a proven track record as a "winner." But I would not say Coach Carmody is any better a person than Coach Brown.
That's a big difference. Ever have to fire someone who you personally liked? It happens and is tough on both the terminator and terminee.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2016 17:05:20 GMT -5
Well, just to be a contrarian, I don't think many posters actually "hated" or had a "visceral dislike" of the last coach. Most of us thought he was very good, decent, honorable and likeable person (the players liked him for sure and, from what I understand, still do). But the vast majority of us thought he was not the coach that we needed to improve the program to the next level and he was given enough time to prove himself and did not. Just as most posters think that Coach Carmody is a significant improvement when it comes to coaching with a proven track record as a "winner." But I would not say Coach Carmody is any better a person than Coach Brown. That's a big difference. Ever have to fire someone who you personally liked? It happens and is tough on both the terminator and terminee. I agree that was the case with most people. But there was a minority (only a few folks) who attacked almost anything the former coach did. They had quite an effect, since those who objected posted a reply and there was often a back and forth that seemed to go without end. With the courtesy now being shown by those who disagree, this may well be a new age. There will be more posts about hoops but I am not sure the difference will be as big as on the old board. We'll see. |
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Post by dadominate on Sept 4, 2016 19:55:58 GMT -5
crossports is back to the way it was for years for one simple and indisputable reason... HC70 was banned. the coincident disappearance of the other extraordinarily divisive "hater hunter" sader81 has also helped return the spirit of collegiality as a community of die-hard holy cross fans and and open discussion of holy cross sports. i won't go into the laundry list of reasons that he was poisonous to discussion on this forum as it has already been noted by many posters. fortunately, the peace and positive tone that has returned is like a breath of fresh air to all of us for whom the crossports community is a meaningful part of our holy cross experience!
and i also 100% agree with sader1970. nobody hated milan brown. he was just a bad basketball coach. the only thing he ever did that made me question his character was his inability to ever accept any responsibility whatsoever for losses, but i don't think anyone ever doubted he was a good person. even the "haters" 😝 i wish brown well in life and am also grateful every day we have coach carmody and staff now leading the program... hopefully for years to come!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 4, 2016 20:34:02 GMT -5
Two things to consider imho: 1) had the bball's teams postseason been as unsuccessful as the PL regular season, chances are that would have generated more posts throughout the summer. While there was the blast of posts that were generated from the March success, after a while that was bound to wind down; and 2) had we not gotten the complete set of verbals in the space of a week, the recruiting messages would be hot and heavy. And I too, only disliked the results from the former staff's reign. They always treated me with respect and appreciated the support.
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Post by sarasota on Sept 4, 2016 23:08:43 GMT -5
I don't believe the posters who criticized our former coach--including myself--were criticizing him as a human being. They criticized his professional performance.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 5, 2016 6:28:08 GMT -5
My two cents.
This board had its genesis in the CRW years, not in the Mark Duffner years. If the board had started in the Duffner era, I expect the board would be more football-oriented. (The voy board is much more oriented to Ivy football; basketball is largely shunted off to a BasketballU board, where the great majority of the posts involve only Penn and Princeton.)
On the old board, there were often posts by current students or recent graduates who remained connected with what was happening. Thus, posts with rumors and news, which fed conversations and threads. That nexus to the Hill was withering on the old board, and is almost gone from the current board.
The larger-than-life coaching personalities, e.g., CRW a certain individual from Loudonville NY, Skinner, are elsewhere. And lest we forget, before there was CMB, there was CSK.
The years of basketball fantasies about joining a so-called Catholic League, or the NBE, or any league but the PL, have been tempered by reality, and reluctant acceptance.
Controversy has abated. But I can assure you that political threads on the general forum would be outpacing hoops and football if such were still allowed.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 5, 2016 8:25:50 GMT -5
My two cents. This board had its genesis in the CRW years, not in the Mark Duffner years. If the board had started in the Duffner era, I expect the board would be more football-oriented. (The voy board is much more oriented to Ivy football; basketball is largely shunted off to a BasketballU board, where the great majority of the posts involve only Penn and Princeton.) Doubt that the reason for more hoops posts has anything to do with CRW vs Duff years. I believe it is simple: there are more passionate HC sports fans whose priority is hoops over football. the Ivy comparison is completely erroneous. There is little in common between HC fans and Ivy fans. |
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 5, 2016 8:46:00 GMT -5
I'll see your 2 cents and raise you a nickel:
IMO, less to do with the coaches and more to do with winning. I agree that if the football team had continued the success of Duffner's teams, we'd be all over it regardless of whether he was still the coach.
It wasn't Ralph's dynamic personality or mock turtle neck shirts or his lucky jacket, it was his relative success of his teams that drew us to Crossports. The precipitous decline of SK and MB was the cause of an increase in posts because we had tasted some success.
I think extremes of winning and losing drive posts. When hockey does well, we see a spike in posts.
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