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Post by sarasota on Feb 20, 2020 5:28:38 GMT -5
After the first day, both HC's mens and womens teams were in 9th place out of 10 teams. So what else is new.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 20, 2020 10:40:42 GMT -5
On the men's side this has been a 'participation' sport forever - our roster has only 18, easily the smallest in the league including only 4 frosh (one of whom I know and he wasn't that good in h.s.) Many D.2 and 3 college teams would rout us. If the school wants to show that they don't care, well, they've certainly accomplished that.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 20, 2020 14:47:28 GMT -5
My son, the swimmer, would have loved to swim for HC (and the coach wanted him). Not accepted, so he ended up setting records at Fairfield (and graduating with honors). Such is life.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 20, 2020 15:34:24 GMT -5
I interviewed a state record holder from St X HS here in Louisville but he was wait listed at HC and ended up at XU in Cincy where he starred. His little sister went to HC
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 20, 2020 15:45:34 GMT -5
ADMB has enough on his plate but this program simply cannot continue like this - I'm not in favor of schollies but the coach should be given more $ to recruit and a couple of 'slots' with admissions - I think we've been embarrassed enough for the last 35 years 'sinking to the bottom of the pool' in the PL.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 20, 2020 16:00:22 GMT -5
On the men's side this has been a 'participation' sport forever - our roster has only 18, easily the smallest in the league including only 4 frosh (one of whom I know and he wasn't that good in h.s.) Many D.2 and 3 college teams would rout us. If the school wants to show that they don't care, well, they've certainly accomplished that. Same can be said for mens & womens tennis and probably other minor sports. As I've said before, it's sort of like cheating the PL. We say we offer 21 (?) Div I sports and in reality aren't really serious about most of them. Every other PL school knows this and must laugh up their sleeves at us. Do you expect them to respect us? |
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Post by sarasota on Feb 20, 2020 16:10:33 GMT -5
My son, the swimmer, would have loved to swim for HC (and the coach wanted him). Not accepted, so he ended up setting records at Fairfield (and graduating with honors). Such is life. My oldest daughter was not accepted at HC. She was a four-year boarding student at Northfield Mt Hermon with good grades, studied in France, rowed for the US Junior National Team at the World Championships in Sweden the Summer before college. Did not require full financial aid. She rowed for Wisconsin, defending National Champs, where she was All-Big 10, went to NYU Law, clercked for a Federal Judge, worked at Hogan & Hartson in D.C. along side John Roberts (current Chief Justice of the SCOTUS), practices in the PA Poconos. So I know where you're coming from, rgs318. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 20, 2020 16:22:40 GMT -5
I interviewed a state record holder from St X HS here in Louisville but he was wait listed at HC and ended up at XU in Cincy where he starred. His little sister went to HC Recent graduate? Just curious. Xavier men won the Big East title from 2014-16 right after the league reconfigured. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 20, 2020 16:31:33 GMT -5
I interviewed a state record holder from St X HS here in Louisville but he was wait listed at HC and ended up at XU in Cincy where he starred. His little sister went to HC Recent graduate? Just curious. Xavier men won the Big East title from 2014-16 right after the league reconfigured. I believe he graduated in 2014 |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 20, 2020 19:14:48 GMT -5
Consider me in the "acceptance stage" when it comes to following HC Swimming & Diving.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 20, 2020 23:46:10 GMT -5
After Day 2, both mens & womens teams in 9th out of 10 teams. Nobody on the Hill cares.
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 21, 2020 8:51:24 GMT -5
On the men's side this has been a 'participation' sport forever - our roster has only 18, easily the smallest in the league including only 4 frosh (one of whom I know and he wasn't that good in h.s.) Many D.2 and 3 college teams would rout us. If the school wants to show that they don't care, well, they've certainly accomplished that. Same can be said for mens & womens tennis and probably other minor sports. As I've said before, it's sort of like cheating the PL. We say we offer 21 (?) Div I sports and in reality aren't really serious about most of them. Every other PL school knows this and must laugh up their sleeves at us. Do you expect them to respect us?Can confirm that the other schools don't laugh at HC b/c of an institutional decision made regarding how they choose to fund their swim/dive program. That would be silly and ridiculous. If anything, the other coaches in the league all had immense respect for the job Barry Parenteau did with the program given the limited resources. His kids always competed hard for him, and the placements at the league meet never told the whole story. I worked several PL championship meets and saw HC kids celebrating wildly for what was, on the surface, a last-place finish. I'd later learn that the athletes were celebrating breaking a school record, sometimes breaking ones that had lasted for decades. The athletes and coaches always take pride in the program and represent themselves and the school very well. They know the deal. They don't expect necessarily to compete for a PL championship, but they expect to swim their best times of the year at the meet and challenge school records, always with an aim toward getting better. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 21, 2020 10:06:56 GMT -5
That's really saying something if our all-time best in an event results in a last place finish
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 21, 2020 10:30:45 GMT -5
That's really saying something if our all-time best in an event results in a last place finish Take a look at how the other programs are funded and you'll have your answer. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 21, 2020 11:10:59 GMT -5
In 2017-18, HC spent a bit over $400K on swimming; Bucknell spent $1.8 million. Only AU spent less than HC. ($ for USMA and USNA not included in the database, but the academies probably spend more than Bucknell.) This is a sport that if one hopes to land in the top three at the PL championships, be prepared to spend $1.5 million+.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 21, 2020 11:42:10 GMT -5
In 2017-18, HC spent a bit over $400K on swimming; Bucknell spent $1.8 million. Only AU spent less than HC. ($ for USMA and USNA not included in the database, but the academies probably spend more than Bucknell.) This is a sport that if one hopes to land in the top three at the PL championships, be prepared to spend $1.5 million+. To clarify, of the $1.77 Million you mention that Bucknell spends, the majority is for the women's program - where there are scholarships. The Bucknell men's program only uses need-based aid, although some of it counts as athletic aid - as is true in many PL programs. You are correct that the Service Academies - especially Navy - spend more than Bucknell, a LOT more on the men's side. Also they have far more recruiting slots for swimmers than do any PL programs. For example, Navy has 43 swimmers on their men's roster, and there are a number of others who were recruited but are no longer swimming. Bucknell, in comparison, has 25, and HC has only 18. In 2016-17 Navy had 17 freshmen on the roster. Only eight remain. |
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Post by sarasota on Feb 21, 2020 12:10:43 GMT -5
Same can be said for mens & womens tennis and probably other minor sports. As I've said before, it's sort of like cheating the PL. We say we offer 21 (?) Div I sports and in reality aren't really serious about most of them. Every other PL school knows this and must laugh up their sleeves at us. Do you expect them to respect us?Can confirm that the other schools don't laugh at HC b/c of an institutional decision made regarding how they choose to fund their swim/dive program. That would be silly and ridiculous. If anything, the other coaches in the league all had immense respect for the job Barry Parenteau did with the program given the limited resources. His kids always competed hard for him, and the placements at the league meet never told the whole story. I worked several PL championship meets and saw HC kids celebrating wildly for what was, on the surface, a last-place finish. I'd later learn that the athletes were celebrating breaking a school record, sometimes breaking ones that had lasted for decades. The athletes and coaches always take pride in the program and represent themselves and the school very well. They know the deal. They don't expect necessarily to compete for a PL championship, but they expect to swim their best times of the year at the meet and challenge school records, always with an aim toward getting better. To clarify......I was not criticizing the swimmers/divers or coaches. I was criticizing the institutional support they get from HC. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 21, 2020 12:59:42 GMT -5
Can confirm that the other schools don't laugh at HC b/c of an institutional decision made regarding how they choose to fund their swim/dive program. That would be silly and ridiculous. If anything, the other coaches in the league all had immense respect for the job Barry Parenteau did with the program given the limited resources. His kids always competed hard for him, and the placements at the league meet never told the whole story. I worked several PL championship meets and saw HC kids celebrating wildly for what was, on the surface, a last-place finish. I'd later learn that the athletes were celebrating breaking a school record, sometimes breaking ones that had lasted for decades. The athletes and coaches always take pride in the program and represent themselves and the school very well. They know the deal. They don't expect necessarily to compete for a PL championship, but they expect to swim their best times of the year at the meet and challenge school records, always with an aim toward getting better. To clarify......I was not criticizing the swimmers/divers or coaches. I was criticizing the institutional support they get from HC. I know, I didn't think you were criticizing the team. I was disputing your assertion that others in the league mock HC b/c of the choice it's made. Doing so would open them up to similar criticisms. You can debate HC's funding of programs here in the echo chamber. I might suggest making a donation directly to the program. |
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Post by bison137 on Feb 21, 2020 18:38:09 GMT -5
To give you an idea of Navy's dominance, here are last year's award winners from the championships:
2019 Patriot League Men’s and Women’s Swimming and Diving Major Awards
Women’s Swim Coach of the Year: John Morrison, Navy
Men’s Swim Coach of the Year: Bill Roberts, Navy
Women’s Diving Coach of the Year: Rich MacDonald, Navy
Men’s Diving Coach of the Year: Rich MacDonald, Navy
Female Diver of the Meet: Hannah Montau, Navy, Fr.
Male Diver of the Meet: Bradley Buchter, Navy, Jr.
Female Rookie of the Meet: Martina Thomas, Navy, Fr.
Male Rookie of the Meet: Caleb Mauldin, Navy, Fr.
Female Swimmer of the Meet: Lauren Barber, Navy, Sr.
Male Swimmer of the Meet: Ryan Waters, Navy, So.
If you combined the swimmers from the eight men's non-Service Academy teams into one team and put them up against Navy, Navy would crush the combined squad.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2020 19:54:00 GMT -5
We all do realize that they are members of the Navy, the branch of service that predominantly works on, over, under and above the water. They all better be able to swim. And well.  |
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 22, 2020 10:50:34 GMT -5
congratulations to jr. Emily Sullivan who set a program record yesterday in the 400 IM - to put things in perspective about the competition in the league, her time was good for 10th place.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2020 13:34:39 GMT -5
I was perusing the WBB game notes for today's game. I am rooting for Lauren Manis to move up the all time HC and PL stat lists in different categories and was checking her progress. That's enjoyable as a fan seperate and apart from team wins and losses, and I've been doing it from Yaz to Havlicek to Big Papi. I can relate to the joy of the swim team celebrating working hard to set a record and accomplishing it.
On the game notes page there is an info box about HC that lists the student body as over 3100 now. As the number of students rises and the number of sports stays finite that should increase the amount of tuition and fees dollars available for each sport.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 22, 2020 15:45:05 GMT -5
You would hope but you’d be wrong, I suspect
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2020 23:52:33 GMT -5
I agree to the extent that with all the new building HC is loading up on fixed expenses that will be hard to shake, and there is no guarantee society will continue to value an expensive but not elite lac education as much as they value it now.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 23, 2020 11:43:06 GMT -5
Final results show our women finishing 9th ahead of Lafayette and the men also at 9th place edging out Colgate 97 pts to 96.
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