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Post by hchoops on Feb 24, 2020 12:27:45 GMT -5
Lauren needs 65 in 4(+?) games
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 14:48:29 GMT -5
If she stays healthy she will reach it and nobody deserves it more. She has played hard despite the distractions created by coaches. She is a Massachusetts Catholic high school graduate just like Amy O'Brien. I hope we can recruit more like those two. Lauren doesn't have the supporting cast that Amy had - or the PL WBB was less developed then, I don't know which is a greater factor, but her career isn't over. The 2020 PLT hasn't been played yet.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 24, 2020 15:13:40 GMT -5
and with 1137 total career rebounds in 118 games (and counting) she will almost average a double-double for her career - that's astounding - the entire team should be motivated to bring a championship to Lauren, she certainly deserves it !
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Post by bison137 on Feb 24, 2020 16:42:56 GMT -5
I Lauren doesn't have the supporting cast that Amy had - or the PL WBB was less developed then, I don't know which is a greater factor, but her career isn't over. The PL in 1997-99 was MUCH MUCH weaker than it is now. It had only seven teams, none with scholarships. None of the teams, other than HC, spent much money on basketball, and none of them cared much about the sport. As an example of the league's weakness back then, the #2 team in 1999 was ranked #195 by Massey, and the #3 team ranked #231. This year, in contrast, there are seven teams in the top 200.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 21:39:33 GMT -5
I Lauren doesn't have the supporting cast that Amy had - or the PL WBB was less developed then, I don't know which is a greater factor, but her career isn't over. The PL in 1997-99 was MUCH MUCH weaker than it is now. It had only seven teams, none with scholarships. None of the teams, other than HC, spent much money on basketball, and none of them cared much about the sport. As an example of the league's weakness back then, the #2 team in 1999 was ranked #195 by Massey, and the #3 team ranked #231. This year, in contrast, there are seven teams in the top 200. The league was cozy back then. Adding three non football schools, along with the service academies not playing FB in the league makes the PL a basketball league of sorts I guess.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 24, 2020 21:46:20 GMT -5
The PL in 1997-99 was MUCH MUCH weaker than it is now. It had only seven teams, none with scholarships. None of the teams, other than HC, spent much money on basketball, and none of them cared much about the sport. As an example of the league's weakness back then, the #2 team in 1999 was ranked #195 by Massey, and the #3 team ranked #231. This year, in contrast, there are seven teams in the top 200. The league was cozy back then. Adding three non football schools, along with the service academies not playing FB in the league makes the PL a basketball league of sorts I guess. The three schools added since O’Brien’s time are American, Boston U, and Loyola. American has been a very good women’s program. The other two not very good. So the addition of three teams really isn’t the reason the league is so much better. The biggest change, by a wide margin, is that everyone now gives scholarships and everyone now spends a lot more money than they did 20 years ago. It used to be that only Holy Cross cared about women’s basketball.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2020 21:58:13 GMT -5
The league was cozy back then. Adding three non football schools, along with the service academies not playing FB in the league makes the PL a basketball league of sorts I guess. The three schools added since O’Brien’s time are American, Boston U, and Loyola. American has been a very good women’s program. The other two not very good. So the addition of three teams really isn’t the reason the league is so much better. The biggest change, by a wide margin, is that everyone now gives scholarships and everyone now spends a lot more money than they did 20 years ago. It used to be that only Holy Cross cared about women’s basketball. I for one am thankful HC cared and got a lot of enjoyment out of the WBB success. Interesting that the traditional all male HC run by an all male religious order was the most woke league school when it came to gender equity in basketball.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 25, 2020 19:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Feb 25, 2020 20:35:48 GMT -5
Manis' likely achievement of 2,000 points and 1,000 rebounds is extraordinary. Last night, Oregon's Sabrina Ionescu became the first player in NCAA history to do that, along with 1,000 assists to boot. I think the above wording may be confusing. Many women players have had 2000 points and 1000 rebounds. Ionescu is the first one to have 2000 points, 1000 rebounds, and 1000 assists - obviously a MUCH tougher feat.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 25, 2020 20:40:57 GMT -5
Manis' likely achievement of 2,000 points and 1,000 rebounds is extraordinary. Last night, Oregon's Sabrina Ionescu became the first player in NCAA history to do that, along with 1,000 assists to boot. I think the above wording may be confusing. Many women players have had 2000 points and 1000 rebounds. Ionescu is the first one to have 2000 points, 1000 rebounds, and 1000 assists - obviously a MUCH tougher feat. Very poorly worded on my part. Thanks for clarifying the intent.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 25, 2020 22:42:41 GMT -5
She is the first NCAAplayer, male or female, to accomplish this feat.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
The three schools added since O’Brien’s time are American, Boston U, and Loyola. American has been a very good women’s program. The other two not very good. So the addition of three teams really isn’t the reason the league is so much better. The biggest change, by a wide margin, is that everyone now gives scholarships and everyone now spends a lot more money than they did 20 years ago. It used to be that only Holy Cross cared about women’s basketball. I for one am thankful HC cared and got a lot of enjoyment out of the WBB success. Interesting that the traditional all male HC run by an all male religious order was the most woke league school when it came to gender equity in basketball. The PL schools in effect moving up a level or two was part of a "double whammy": the game's changed in so far as many of the larger schools weren't putting the resources into women's basketball back in the late 80s/early 90s that they are now. Part of the frustration with Gibbons' teams the past few years was perhaps beyond his control, not that I think there were a bunch of other things going on that were.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 26, 2020 14:09:34 GMT -5
Tim, I agree with most of your opinions but 'beyond his control' ?? I don't think so - he had everything advantage over the rest of the pl schools after all the success of the 90's and early 2000's and he did not capitalize on it. The winning tradition, basketball culture at HC, and the institutional support - I don't know what went wrong but same say he got complacent and others outworked him as we slid into mediocrity
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2020 15:49:54 GMT -5
I think we're only quibbling about "part" here. I'd say "part" was about 25%, the other 75% was him.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2020 21:19:38 GMT -5
48 points to go.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2020 8:48:14 GMT -5
Needs 16 a game. There was no evidence of any gunning or forcing shots last night. The high road is nice, but any road will do, imo.😊
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2020 9:31:18 GMT -5
Reminds me of 1966 with Richie Murphy (R.I.P.) in his final game at 999 ( in three seasons) and trying desperately for that last point, but unfortunately, unsuccessful . Never to make that 1000 point list, though with a much higher ppg than many on it. Hope Lauren does not have the same fate.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 27, 2020 11:00:16 GMT -5
She will do it.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2020 12:23:42 GMT -5
If Pedi and Smith relocate their shooting touch, the team could progress in the post season. A few more made threes opens up everything. Although let the others take their threes in practice and let Lauren take them in the game until 2K.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 27, 2020 15:02:31 GMT -5
you come up with these obvious observations all the time, and then add a silly comment ref Lauren's scoring.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2020 16:55:29 GMT -5
Sorry.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 1, 2020 12:24:14 GMT -5
Countdown continues Lauren needs 24 to reach the magic number Would be nice to reach it on Wednesday
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 5, 2020 8:17:05 GMT -5
I know others disagree but I think that Manis has a shot to be drafted in the WNBA. Main reason: her rebounding ability. She can really elevate.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 5, 2020 8:23:38 GMT -5
I know others disagree but I think that Manis has a shot to be drafted in the WNBA. Main reason: her rebounding ability. She can really elevate. Good ball handler for the all time League leading rebounder, too. And don't forget her three point accuracy.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 5, 2020 8:25:40 GMT -5
That would be great to see...and great publicity for the HC program.
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