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Post by purplehaze on Mar 2, 2020 19:18:06 GMT -5
Watching his program now on msnbc and they just said ‘we’re going to miss him’. No details about the circumstances- Some tough news came out recently about his behavior a long time ago - he’s really going to miss coveting this election season.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 2, 2020 20:08:46 GMT -5
We still have a Crusader pundit on TV and radio--David Webb (HC '85?) is really sharp and often seen on TV. While I disagree with Chris Matthews's positions on the issues, he did seem like a decent guy and I hear he is a loyal Crusader.
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 2, 2020 20:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by sarasota on Mar 2, 2020 20:15:56 GMT -5
He was making beaucoup bucks. A victim of the Me Too Era and Political Correctness. The death of flirtation. We need more exposure of women hitting on men (including in the workplace). My last three work places were heavily predominately women, as is the case in more and more large corporations, because these corporations have discovered that women are naturally better middle managers than men. I personally experienced behavior by women viz a viz me in three different companies that men would never get away with today. Many years ago I read his book about his years with Tip O'Neill. "All politics are local."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 2, 2020 20:17:26 GMT -5
Wow--he resigned on air to start the show
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 2, 2020 20:50:41 GMT -5
Think this article may have had something to do with it:
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 2, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -5
As a classmate of Chris, I did disagree with him at times. However, I found him to be intelligent, fair and loyal to HC at all times. I am sorry to hear of this. His talk / discussion at our 50th reunion was excellent.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 2, 2020 21:42:13 GMT -5
he did seem like a decent guy and I hear he is a loyal Crusader. He is indeed, both
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 2, 2020 21:43:34 GMT -5
We still have a Crusader pundit on TV and radio--David Webb (HC '85?) is really sharp and often seen on TV. While I disagree with Chris Matthews's positions on the issues, he did seem like a decent guy and I hear he is a loyal Crusader. [br I didn’t know Webb is a Crusader, like him very much, always reasoned and insightful. Methinks he is a fellow Marine officer!
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Post by alum on Mar 3, 2020 8:41:12 GMT -5
If you believe a third of what Laura Bassett wrote (and I suspect it is all verifiable,) it was time for Chris Matthews to go. Guys like him can be funny and great story tellers but the behavior is just wrong. As always, would you want a loved one to have to put up with this in order to do his, her or their job?
I don't think that these behaviors make him a horrible person. He has done some good things and been a talented pundit for years. He deserves credit for that but he apparently decided that changes in culture did not apply to him. He was wrong. This is not an example of "political correctness" or MeToo gone amuck. Rather, it is an example of the fact that the free market works. The publicly traded corporation that paid his salary made a long term business decision that he was no longer an asset to the shareholders. If NBC is wrong, they will take a hit. That's business.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 3, 2020 8:48:47 GMT -5
Not that it exonerates him, but he did apologize on air as he announced his departure
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Post by alum on Mar 3, 2020 8:58:35 GMT -5
Not that it exonerates him, but he did apologize on air as he announced his departure I just watched a clip of it. He acknowledged that times have changed, that in retrospect the way he and others (all of us included, I am confident) spoke in the past was wrong, and that younger people are better about this than we were at their age. Good for him for saying it now even if it was too little, too late. We should try not to condemn people forever.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 3, 2020 9:32:02 GMT -5
At this point (given the allegations and other recent gaffes) the 74-year-old was more trouble than he was worth over at MSNBC. A business decision in a way.
I saw him as a very early media crossover from the political ranks who was unafraid of the partisan label.
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Post by rickii on Mar 3, 2020 10:13:52 GMT -5
He had morphed into nobody paying attention to him.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2020 10:15:27 GMT -5
I believe he is a good writer, so perhaps the career change will give him the time to write more books, although at age 74 he can rest and relax if he prefers.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 3, 2020 10:27:16 GMT -5
I think that relaxation would not be in character. Continued writing would be.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2020 12:48:31 GMT -5
Hoops, I agree. I just can't see Chris sitting back and relaxing...especially when the choir was not his alone.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2020 20:22:23 GMT -5
It’s a damning article. Matthews lewd and inappropriate language certainly makes him come off as a pig. There are inappropriate comments made in the workplace that may be construed as harmless, but he — based on these quotes — seemed to be making a pass at this woman.
Stuff like this can be tricky, especially in the workplace. I think it’s always important to look at context and time.
While this may not be applicable to Matthews because the examples used are pretty recent, let’s look at the following phrase: “Hey hun, that dress looks great on you.”
In 2020, this would without question be an inappropriate comment to make in the workplace. I think most men — or would like to think that most men — know not to make a comment like this. But, in 1990, I’m sure something like this was said with regularly. While it doesn’t make it right, I think it’s difficult to persecute someone for using language like this given the year in which it was said when — right or wrong — it wasn’t viewed in the same light as it is today.
Point being, I don’t think it’s fair to play revisionary history and attack someone for something that was said and done in a time period when it was viewed as acceptable, even in today’s day and age it’s clearly not.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 4, 2020 7:15:43 GMT -5
/\ /\ At this point is it even appropriate for a male worker to tell a female subordinate (or peer) wearing a dress, "That dress looks great"? (This is not to excuse Chris, but this is an example of how things have changed.)
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 7:27:55 GMT -5
IMHO, when fault is determined not by what actually happened, but by how one party "feels" about what happened and society judges actions by that alone there is going to be trouble. Apparently we are now responsible not only for our own words and actions, but by how others may possibly react to them...even if they are misinterpreting them.
Now add the passage of time and the way some judge past actions or words (possibly LONG past) by current standards, and you can get a really bad situation where an accused is being asked to prove they did not do or mean something from decades ago. Good luck with that.
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Post by alum on Mar 4, 2020 11:30:32 GMT -5
IMHO, when fault is determined not by what actually happened, but by how one party "feels" about what happened and society judges actions by that alone there is going to be trouble. Apparently we are now responsible not only for our own words and actions, but by how others may possibly react to them...even if they are misinterpreting them. Now add the passage of time and the way some judge past actions or words (possibly LONG past) by current standards, and you can get a really bad situation where an accused is being asked to prove they did not do or mean something from decades ago. Good luck with that. You have touched on the standard, at least in the workplace, of sexual harassment. In order to prove a claim of sexual harassment, the plaintiff must show that the complained about behavior was objectively unreasonable and that she (it's usually, but not alway she) subjectively viewed it as abusive. Therefore, a plaintiff who claims a violation of the antidiscrimination laws on the basis of a coworker offering pizza to all male and female colleagues will not win even if she subjectively believes that the offer had sexual overtones because the behavior was objectively reasonable. Similarly, if the only woman in a 20 person office is not personally offended by what has been described as locker room behavior, there is no actionable case. It is only when both aspects are present, and a bunch of procedural hurdles are overcome, that an employer can be held liable. The point to remember is that most employers attempt to stop bad behavior recognizing that while no current employee is currently offended, that things can change in the future. It is with this in mind that they exercise their right to terminate an employee who cannot conform behavior to current standards.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 4, 2020 12:45:09 GMT -5
very ironically, Chris has been defended by two writers from the Trump paper, the NY Post Also by the former potty mouth Imus sidekick, McGurk
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 14:00:10 GMT -5
Bernard McGuirk may be a lot of things, but I have not heard him called a "potty mouth" before. Were you referring to his late boss, Don Imus?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 4, 2020 14:21:21 GMT -5
How about racist and sexist ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 4, 2020 14:54:37 GMT -5
Those epithets certainly cover Imus
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