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Post by purplehaze on Mar 3, 2020 13:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 3, 2020 22:30:58 GMT -5
Interesting speculation about BC, Kevin Willard, James Jones,etc. HC is so irrelevant our coach doesn't even make it onto the hot seat.😊 Donyell Marshall sounded so sharp on Celtics broadcasts but then couldn't seem to figure anything out at CCSU as head coach. It's a specific skill set that even a long NBA career doesn't necessarily prepare you for.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 3, 2020 22:39:32 GMT -5
I would be surprised if Willard went to BC
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 5:35:25 GMT -5
Interesting speculation about BC, Kevin Willard, James Jones,etc. HC is so irrelevant our coach doesn't even make it onto the hot seat.😊 Donyell Marshall sounded so sharp on Celtics broadcasts but then couldn't seem to figure anything out at CCSU as head coach. It's a specific skill set that even a long NBA career doesn't necessarily prepare you for. I have to disagree with you on that one. It has less to do with "relevance" of HC, than with the fact that this is Coach Nelson's first year and most folks who follow basketball would give him at lest 2-3 years to clean up the mess he inherited. The only "hot seat" for him is from a few folks on Crossports who seem to need a bit more fiber in their diet.
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Post by Tom on Mar 4, 2020 8:46:27 GMT -5
Interesting speculation about BC, Kevin Willard, James Jones,etc. HC is so irrelevant our coach doesn't even make it onto the hot seat.😊 Donyell Marshall sounded so sharp on Celtics broadcasts but then couldn't seem to figure anything out at CCSU as head coach. It's a specific skill set that even a long NBA career doesn't necessarily prepare you for. I have to disagree with you on that one. It has less to do with "relevance" of HC, than with the fact that this is Coach Nelson's first year and most folks who follow basketball would give him at lest 2-3 years to clean up the mess he inherited. The only "hot seat" for him is from a few folks on Crossports who seem to need a bit more fiber in their diet. When Coach Kearney was released after one season, it was so unprecedented that it made national news. The world doesn't consider any first year coach to be on the hot seat
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 9:48:30 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you on that one. It has less to do with "relevance" of HC, than with the fact that this is Coach Nelson's first year and most folks who follow basketball would give him at lest 2-3 years to clean up the mess he inherited. The only "hot seat" for him is from a few folks on Crossports who seem to need a bit more fiber in their diet. When Coach Kearney was released after one season, it was so unprecedented that it made national news. The world doesn't consider any first year coach to be on the hot seat Agreed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2020 10:01:01 GMT -5
Surprised Matt Langel’s name is nowhere to be found here.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2020 10:15:48 GMT -5
He's on my warm seat at least for his team building skills. A 3-29 record is one thing, but I observed no sense of responsibility from either coach or AD for all the players that departed after the two of them started working following Nationwide searches for the best professionals available anywhere.
Reports from the reception say the two of them support each other completely but I see an AD and a coach's first responsibility is to their students, not each other. Perhaps those with experience in Education look at it differently.
I found HC's admirable response to the Florida crash much more like the HC I'm proud of. Because the situations played out concurrently the contrast was striking.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 10:23:15 GMT -5
Support for both professional colleagues and for athletes are not exclusive. Hopefully they have both and we will see that more clearly going forward. Why would you make it an either/or situation?
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Post by Ray on Mar 4, 2020 10:46:59 GMT -5
He's on my warm seat at least for his team building skills. A 3-29 record is one thing, but I observed no sense of responsibility from either coach or AD for all the players that departed after the two of them started working following Nationwide searches for the best professionals available anywhere. Sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me. What "sense of responsibility" would you like to have observed? Do you really feel like you have a vantage point to make such observations?
There was zero chance BN was getting fired after ~8 months on the job, after inheriting a decimated roster, by an AD who himself has only been on the job for the same amount of time.
Even if you have misgivings about what you saw from Nelson this year (I don't personally, but reasonable people can disagree), as Blossom evaluates this season you have to account for it being Nelson's first year as a head coach, and judge whether the program is best served going forward by Nelson as he continues to establish his vision for the program and yes, develops as a head coach. There's virtually no calculus where, even if Blossom was highly troubled by what he saw from Nelson this year, that he could decide that he's so sure Nelson is unrecoverable that it's worth the financial and reputational hit to make a change. (Remember the national black eye we took with the Kearney firing.) And that's to say nothing of what caliber of candidate we could attract after making that kind of move... and presumably being hamstrung financially while still paying Nelson for four more years.
In short, the idea that Nelson is on even a warm seat, in anyone's mind but your own, is sheer fantasy.
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Post by Tom on Mar 4, 2020 11:42:40 GMT -5
He's on my warm seat at least for his team building skills. A 3-29 record is one thing, but I observed no sense of responsibility from either coach or AD for all the players that departed after the two of them started working following Nationwide searches for the best professionals available anywhere. Reports from the reception say the two of them support each other completely but I see an AD and a coach's first responsibility is to their students, not each other. Perhaps those with experience in Education look at it differently. I found HC's admirable response to the Florida crash much more like the HC I'm proud of. Because the situations happened concurrently the contrast was striking. I expect the AD and the coach to say they support each other. Even if they don't. Without knowing the story behind the departures, I can't say that there is any need for either to take responsibility for departures. I've read on this board that Lowder is a typical high spirited teenager and Coach Nelson was so authoritarian he tried to break the kid like a broncin' buck. I've also read on this board that Lowder is a horrible human being who cannot conform to even the most basic code of civilized conduct. If the former were true, yes the coach should take responsibility. If the later were true, I don't think the coach should observe a sense of responsibility for the departure. I think it's possible that the coach laid out a very concrete set of expectations for the team. and that Lowder, Hargis, and Lovisolo politely said that wasn't what they signed up for and were not prepared to give that kind of commitment. No villains in that hypothetical, but no reason for the coach to feel responsible for talented kids leaving because they weren't on board with his vision of the program
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2020 12:27:58 GMT -5
I dislike buyouts, early cancellation fees, etc. in my own life and usually take the no contract option for services when it is an option. I think it was risky to give both SK and BN long term guaranteed contracts when neither had been in charge of a team before. I don't advocate a firing and eating of another contract in MBB or Hockey despite poor records. I have high expectations of both the AD and coach and feel on the day they start work they are equally responsible for all student athletes no matter who recruited the student.
I got a sense this MBB season of some of the excesses of big time college sports with none of the benefits. In December, hc87's question "Is Nelson ovah his head?" resonated with my observations and so logically I look to the AD to supervise the coach he hired.
I do not support any contract buyouts at this time. I do think a Nationwide search to find an assistant coach and sign him to a long term guaranteed contract as head coach is fraught with danger.
Nelson's seat is warm, in my parlance, because of the overall season: on court performance and player defections. But I don't advocate paying him to leave and am rooting for a turn around next season like everyone else. So "hot seat" and "warm seat" aren't perfect terms for my disappointment in this season. I'm not mad at the coach or AD or anything but assign them both responsibility for the team building. They have a fresh start for next season but their responsibility increases as any possible blaming of Carmody and Pine continues to expire.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
I am afraid that blaming disliked former HC coaches or athletic administration never gets old for some folks.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 4, 2020 14:08:30 GMT -5
I am afraid that blaming disliked former HC coaches or athletic administratoion never gets old for some folks. Yes--let's be honest about what J. Fred Powers did to the basketball program
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2020 15:44:47 GMT -5
I am afraid that blaming disliked former HC coaches or athletic administration never gets old for some folks. Pine and Carmody didn't hire the coach or the AD and did not have an opportunity to counsel the players who left, so they can't be blamed for much. I transfer complete responsibility for the players to the new Coach and AD when they take over. It's part of the job and accepting that responsibility is part of leadership. I root for improvement next year while acknowledgeing the AD and Coach have us over a barrel with their long term contracts.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2020 15:46:13 GMT -5
I am afraid that blaming disliked former HC coaches or athletic administratoion never gets old for some folks. Yes--let's be honest about what J. Fred Powers did to the basketball program Rings a very distant bell. Who was J. Fred?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2020 15:56:15 GMT -5
The only J. Fred I remember was J. Fred Muggs! Also, John Fred and His Playboy Band*
*the first time I went to Fitton Field in 1967, it was playing on the radio on my way up there.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 4, 2020 15:56:51 GMT -5
HC basketball coach 1901-1909
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2020 16:00:08 GMT -5
HC basketball coach 1901-1909 Good one! And getting back to his article, I find it amusing how they think BC would pony up big bucks to bring in someone like Beilein. Basketball simply is not that big there.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 4, 2020 16:02:06 GMT -5
Looked up J. Fred. Turn of the century coach, just missed my grandfather, class of 1898.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 4, 2020 16:04:04 GMT -5
OK, so your reputation does not live forever on Crossports...what about someone who was around when Crossports existed.
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Post by Dean Wormer on Mar 4, 2020 16:32:07 GMT -5
Moved this thread to the college basketball board where it belongs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2020 19:23:33 GMT -5
Wonder if old friend Jean Prioleau’s seat is warming up.
San Jose State has won five conference games in three seasons. Yikes.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 4, 2020 20:12:19 GMT -5
Interesting speculation about BC, Kevin Willard, James Jones,etc. HC is so irrelevant our coach doesn't even make it onto the hot seat.😊 Donyell Marshall sounded so sharp on Celtics broadcasts but then couldn't seem to figure anything out at CCSU as head coach. It's a specific skill set that even a long NBA career doesn't necessarily prepare you for. Two different guys. Donyell coached at CCSU, Donny whose on C's broadcasts did not. Both did play at Uconnvict at the same time.
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Post by gerry on Mar 4, 2020 20:52:36 GMT -5
John Beilein is 67, probably received a solid buyout by the Cavs, and there likely won't be many P6 jobs available. If BC, Wake, DePaul, and Texas are the only four P6 jobs open, and Beilein wants to jump back in at the high major level, BC and Wake probably fit his principles better than DePaul, and certainly the pressure cooker that is Texas. I really don't think it's that unreasonable to think Beilein could end up at BC in that scenario. He likely would not require top dollar at his age and given his Cavs buyout, he has been a northeast guy his whole life, he may know the BC AD from their years in the Big Ten, and he could put in his final 4-5+ years at a place that's big time with no pressure. Now he may want his son to come along as assistant and coach in waiting, and given his history, that may not fly
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