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Post by hchoops on Apr 12, 2021 10:18:24 GMT -5
Just passed the 1300 transfer portal mark, and counting.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 12, 2021 10:58:35 GMT -5
Just passed the 1300 transfer portal mark, and counting. any idea what % are grad transfers?
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Post by hchoops on Apr 12, 2021 13:14:33 GMT -5
I do not
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2021 20:43:58 GMT -5
When? Probably in the mid to late '90's... It is tempting to assign anti-catholic bias, sans evidence but there may have been be other factors at work. NESCAC had 10 school members which is a perfect fit for their football season and works well for basketball. Why change? Also, I knew guys from Bowdoin, Amherst & Williams who did not think as highly of HC academically as I did at that time. They viewed the school as primarily one known for its athletics not academics. In fact one said HC was" big time" in f-ball & b-ball. Some pointed out that even if it were possible it would take a drastic move by the school and an upgrading of its academic profile for the school to be considered for admission. I don't believe it would be accurate or fair to ascribe their opinion of HC to anti-Catholic bias. (sort of like a sour grapes argument?) I was gung ho for our entry into the NESCAC. Thought it would have been a perfect landing spot. I was wrong. Over the years looking at the bigger picture, including many of the well stated opinions by some posters I have come to the conclusion that such a move would not have worked out. Tradition, possibly academics(?) & attitudes on all sides were against the move. The rumor at the time was that HC had to get rid of its Catholic affiliation for the secular NESCAC to even consider a bid for admission I wonder if the NESCAC also told Smith, MT. Holyoke and Wellesley they had to get rid of their single sex status to even be considered and that's why those three are in the NEWMAC?
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 14, 2021 6:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2021 7:05:25 GMT -5
Interesting wording..."inconsistent and unfair" - aren't those part of the NCAA mission statement? I see soothing more like a caste system at present with two very different sets of rules. IMHO, one transfer allowed for all college athletes is not the end of the world. After some sorting out, we'll see what happens. There will be, of course, some poaching as the P6 use the fcs schools as a "minor league." If that becomes a problem, then switch back the rule!
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Post by trimster on Apr 14, 2021 8:08:27 GMT -5
While there certainly will be more poaching by the big boys, there will probably be an increase in the number of kids who decide the big time isnβt for them and decide to transfer to a level where they will get to play.
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Post by Tom on Apr 14, 2021 8:09:15 GMT -5
I did not know that the requirement to sit a year did not apply to all sports. I understand the logic that it should be the same for all sports
I also think that this is bad for the sport. In my opinion, most of the wrongdoing with the sport is associated with the recruiting process. This just expands that whole thing.
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This is a lie. Athletes do not give up a year of eligibility. Gates and Grandison have the exact same amount of eligibility if they had stayed at their initial institution. They postponed things a year, but gave nothing
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Post by trimster on Apr 14, 2021 8:30:40 GMT -5
I read yesterday that some conferences whacked you for a year of eligibility in addition to making you sit a year, if you transferred within the conference. Three of them, ACC, AAC and someone else, recently 86βed those rules.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2021 11:16:27 GMT -5
While there certainly will be more poaching by the big boys, there will probably be an increase in the number of kids who decide the big time isnβt for them and decide to transfer to a level where they will get to play. And there will be Jim McCaffrey types that are at a level lower than ours that want to move up.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2021 11:38:05 GMT -5
It is amazing how quickly winning teams (and coaches) make folks want to move to such a program.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2021 11:51:33 GMT -5
Who gravitates to a loser?
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Post by cmo on Apr 14, 2021 12:29:17 GMT -5
Who gravitates to a loser? my wife? π
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2021 12:41:26 GMT -5
Who gravitates to a loser? Well for starters, anyone who believes they can change that label of "loser" to winner (or be part of the change). Also, (1) There is quite a gap between winner and loser, And (2) Most make their college choice and do not gravitate to anywhere else.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 14, 2021 12:41:56 GMT -5
Who gravitates to a loser? my wife? π You must work in sales.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2021 13:41:39 GMT -5
Who gravitates to a loser? r Most likely about half of the eventual thousands in the portal
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2021 14:27:42 GMT -5
Math major?π
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2021 16:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2021 18:50:36 GMT -5
Meeks of Bucknell transfers to the College of Charleston
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2021 21:14:56 GMT -5
Will CofC let his parents go to games?
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Post by lou on Apr 14, 2021 22:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2021 22:50:03 GMT -5
I'm not as alarmed as Dickie V. about this (not enough coffee in the world for that) because I think it will benefit colleges like Holy Cross who are more than a basketball court as long as coaches can identify players who are committed to a positive four year college experience at an excellent school and communicate well to set and maintain realistic expectations. Kudos to Coach Nelson and Coach Magarity for having no players in the portal this year.
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Post by trimster on Apr 15, 2021 8:17:08 GMT -5
There is a quote near the end of the article from a man who runs a placement service for high school athletes. He said 28 of 35 schools he contacted about unsigned seniors told him they were concentrating their recruiting on the portal, not high school seniors. This has been a weird recruiting year and maybe coaches prefer to use open scholarships right now on players with college experience rather than kids they canβt even see but I get the feeling this new rule is going to permanently change recruiting to some degree. Some coaches may go into school years with 11 or 12 scholarship players so they know they will have 1 or 2 to give after the season ends.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 15, 2021 9:14:49 GMT -5
I'm not as alarmed as Dickie V. about this (not enough coffee in the world for that) because I think it will benefit colleges like Holy Cross who are more than a basketball court as long as coaches can identify players who are committed to a positive four year college experience at an excellent school and communicate well to set and maintain realistic expectations. Kudos to Coach Nelson and Coach Magarity for having no players in the portal this year. Hopeful, but A bit premature
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 15, 2021 9:22:58 GMT -5
Fans having to essentially re-learn who is on each team every year is not going to be good for college basketball.
When itβs at its best, IMO there is not a better sport than college basketball, but for the first time since I was 5, I don't think I could name a player on Duke, UNC, Kentucky, or Kansas next year. Not that this means everything, but I fear that CBB will soon find itself in no man's land without the ability to draw casual viewership because nobody is going to know who's on what team each year, and the product on the court continuing to suffer because kids keep emulating the horrific style of play in the NBA and aren't staying in one place long enough to be properly developed.
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