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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 19, 2020 15:02:55 GMT -5
For the purposes of this poll we are setting the date as the day Bill Carmody announced his retirement. At that point would you have wanted to hire Rick Pitino as Holy Cross's Head Coach? Put any qualifiers you want into your response, e.g. "YES--if we could have signed him for a reasonable salary", "YES--but with rock solid moral turpitude clauses in his contract", "NO-under no conditions", "YES- we are invisible now", "NO-I think he's over the hill"--- you get the idea.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 19, 2020 15:52:36 GMT -5
YES-- Name brand visibility, the top (trunk?) of the Willard [revered] coaching tree, immediate credibility and visibility for the program.
You're going to stand on pretense and morality clauses when half the team has quit or been dismissed? When the team couldn't beat a DIII program? When the team set a 100 year record for futility?
You don't think working with admissions and an HC administration that could hopefully provide more direct oversight without the massive AD that was Louisville interfering?
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Post by HC92 on Mar 19, 2020 15:56:56 GMT -5
Don’t like Pitino at all but it sure would be nice to be good and relevant for a 5-year stretch. Can I vote maybe?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 19, 2020 15:58:02 GMT -5
Yes and would not have to think twice about it.
Immediately being thrust into the national consciousness -- sorry, Nate, you never did that despite saying you did -- is something that you can't buy.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 19, 2020 16:14:42 GMT -5
No . Under no conditions We claim to be first a Catholic Christian College with high moral and ethical principles that Pitino has consistently acted against. I doubt we would hire someone with his moral turpitude for an academic position. We would be setting a terrible example to put winning basketball games ahead of our strong moral values. Sex on a restaurant table , not with his wife., after one of their sons had died. Hiring prostitutes to entertain recruits. Bribing the parents of a recruit. The ONLY coach to have to vacate a national championship. Is all that enough to say No ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 19, 2020 16:24:22 GMT -5
I voted no and cannot improve upon hchoops's response above
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 19, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
no... but I might have hired Norman Dale when he was available
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 19, 2020 16:50:58 GMT -5
hchoops, I understand your perspective and reasoning for not wanting to hire Pitino.
From my stance, however, so long as he plays by the rules at HC -- sign him up.
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Post by Tom on Mar 19, 2020 17:03:08 GMT -5
I have called out the University of Kentucky on this board for hiring outstanding coach John Calipari. Calipari took two different schools to Final Fours and also had those appearances vacated. I said Kentucky was making a statement by putting wins ahead of ethics and that hey were wrong to do so.. I would love to see HC be nationally relevant, but it would be hypocritical of me to vote yes after calling out Kentucky for doing basically the same thing. I voted no
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Post by td128 on Mar 19, 2020 19:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Mar 19, 2020 19:51:37 GMT -5
My guess is the answers will be based on
Immediate turn around to win, but at a possible cost to integrity and reputation
Trust you can rebuild the right way knowing the future of HC as a D1 program is at risk
i defer to the living legends, players and managers to make that call, they gave purple blood, sweat, and tears while they made the program
i see both sides as viable
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Post by gks on Mar 19, 2020 19:53:19 GMT -5
I have called out the University of Kentucky on this board for hiring outstanding coach John Calipari. Calipari took two different schools to Final Fours and also had those appearances vacated. I said Kentucky was making a statement by putting wins ahead of ethics and that hey were wrong to do so.. I would love to see HC be nationally relevant, but it would be hypocritical of me to vote yes after calling out Kentucky for doing basically the same thing. I voted no Looking at its history....Calipari might be the 'cleanest' coach Kentucky has every had...
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 19, 2020 19:57:57 GMT -5
Move on everybody. Rick isn't at HC, and will never coach at HC.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 19, 2020 20:21:55 GMT -5
I hear you but we need to create opportunities for laughter to reduce stress
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 19, 2020 20:31:14 GMT -5
If basketball is not the tail wagging the dog at HC, which it shouldn't be and isn't, then I am not that concerned with the rep. of the basketball coach. The patterns have been set: RP has acted badly as well as been a great coach; HC has acted honorably and had a string of underperforming coaches. If RP were to act badly it would reflect on him and be part of his pattern and reputation. HC would get rid of him and it would continue HC's pattern and reputation of acting honorably.
I would hire Pitino with the aim of him recreating RW's skilled coaching combined with RP's superior recruiting reach to have even better players to receive the skilled coaching. It could be a good combination. If RP acted badly he would be gone.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 19, 2020 21:44:03 GMT -5
My concern is that he helped wreck the program once by hiring RW in June of 2009 instead of March 2009, when more viable candidates were available than SK.
Could HC have taken a chance that knowing his reputation, that he would not have sent the program into a death penalty similar to SMU football?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
While I agree that everyone should have a chance of redemption, however my conservative risk management background would have found the hire problematic.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 19, 2020 22:45:03 GMT -5
RP has never coached in as restrictive an environment as is HC. Inevitably, he would screw up in recruiting and HC would have to fire him. HC thereby becoming a national laughing stock. The 18 fellow posters who voted "yes" need to have their heads examined.
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Post by spenser on Mar 19, 2020 22:56:09 GMT -5
The man is an immortal lowlife. Hiring him might be the one thing that would make me reconsider my commitment to Holy Cross. Financial and otherwise.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 19, 2020 23:00:16 GMT -5
RP has never coached in as restrictive an environment as is HC. Inevitably, he would screw up in recruiting and HC would have to fire him. HC thereby becoming a national laughing stock. The 18 fellow posters who voted "yes" need to have their heads examined. Coincidentally I have had two MRIs of the brain in the past.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 19, 2020 23:04:51 GMT -5
You can lose lots of brain cells and still be able to go to the bathroom by yourself. Stay strong.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 20, 2020 8:03:26 GMT -5
RP has never coached in as restrictive an environment as is HC. Inevitably, he would screw up in recruiting and HC would have to fire him. HC thereby becoming a national laughing stock. The 18 fellow posters who voted "yes" need to have their heads examined. Coincidentally I have had two MRIs of the brain in the past. Mine* showed nothing. *I actually did have one, don't know how I got through the thing- then when I was supposed to have another one, I freaked out and couldn't do it. Claustrophobia combined with the noise. The medical issue wasn't so dire that I never had it done. Supposedly there are different MRI machines and/or I'd have to be sedated.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 20, 2020 8:28:36 GMT -5
What hchoops said.
As a casual fan of Fordham basketball, who by virtue of A-10 membership IS in the entertainment business, I believe THEY SHOULD have found a way over the last 2 years to create a HC opening, even if it meant paying two coaches.
As soon as it became clear he was looking for redemption and a path back into coaching, I knew he would likely end up taking a NY-area job because of his roots here. Sad that the Rams couldn't have had the foresight to make something happen. And if they want to play the morals/values card, then it's about damn time to get into a like-minded conference like the Patriot League.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 20, 2020 8:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by shooterflatch on Mar 22, 2020 10:48:43 GMT -5
This is dumb it would have been a great story of redemption. The movie writes itself! I wonder if we can poach him from Iona after they make the elite 8 in a few years?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 22, 2020 12:45:09 GMT -5
This poll ran a steady 60-40 (No-Yes) for quite a while, but has definitely turned in favor of YES of late. I recall that it was 21-14 after 35 votes so it has been 12-6 in favor of YES since then
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