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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 12:46:51 GMT -5
Pitino has stuffed the ballot box.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 22, 2020 13:45:42 GMT -5
In 1978-79 Boston College had it's basketball point shaving scandal. In 1996 Boston College suspended 13 football players due to a scandal involving players betting on a football game vs. Syracuse. Does anyone consider B.C. a moral cesspool? According to anecdotal evidence on this board about admissions, BC may have eclipsed scandal free HC in attractiveness to applicants since those scandals.
Dipping one toe back into the entertainment business is not going to kill HC's other fine qualities. Our compliance dept. should be able to control things on a 13 member team. I do get a sense that this Athletic Administration takes a hands off approach to team dynamics allowing it to be the coach's fiefdom, which would have to be tightened up for a Pitino. From my worldview, the AD supports the student first and the coach second and the coach is expected to keep the team together and productive through team building coaching skill and not autocratic "My way or the highway." After 45 years in coaching I think Rick has those skills in abundance and is sharp enough to adapt to an HC/Iona environment that results in players asking "Can I run another sprint coach?"
We'll see what happens at Iona. It may blow up, but I'm rooting for a feel good David vs Goliath story over the next few years. It happened in Spokane, maybe it can happen in New Rochelle.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 22, 2020 15:24:28 GMT -5
In 1978-79 Boston College had it's basketball point shaving scandal. In 1996 Boston College suspended 13 football players due to a scandal involving players betting on a football game vs. Syracuse. Does anyone consider B.C. a moral cesspool? According to anecdotal evidence on this board about admissions, BC may have eclipsed scandal free HC in attractiveness to applicants since those scandals. Dipping one toe back into the entertainment business is not going to kill HC's other fine qualities. Our compliance dept. should be able to control things on a 13 member team. I do get a sense that this Athletic Administration takes a hands off approach to team dynamics allowing it to be the coach's fiefdom, which would have to be tightened up for a Pitino. From my worldview, the AD supports the student first and the coach second and the coach is expected to keep the team together and productive through team building coaching skill and not autocratic "My way or the highway." After 45 years in coaching I think Rick has those skills in abundance and is sharp enough to adapt to an HC/Iona environment that results in players asking "Can I run another sprint coach?" We'll see what happens at Iona. It may blow up, but I'm rooting for a feel good David vs Goliath story over the next few years. It happened in Spokane, maybe it can happen in New Rochelle. As an overall institution, no. I would say the same about hoops scandal-ridden Georgetown. However, comparing the role of the athletic department at Georgetown or BC to that at Holy Cross is laughable. We are not in the same business as these schools when it comes to sports and that has been well established for four decades now. HC has no business hiring Pitino, just like we have no business offering a scholarship to the four-star athlete with a 1000 on the SAT who will matriculate at BC. And I'm rooting for the feel-good redemption feel-good story for Rick too. I'm a Fordham fan and have been jaw-boning for over a year about how that situation would've been a win-win for both sides. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 15:30:26 GMT -5
Fr.McShane, President of Fordham, would never hire Pitino or anyone with a resume like his.
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Post by td128 on Mar 22, 2020 16:06:22 GMT -5
With all due respect to Fr. McShane, if this quote is any sort of indication as to his judge of character, I am not impressed: “The Society of Jesus lost a great man today,” said Fr. Joseph McShane, SJ, president of Fordham. “I could say many things about Fr. Reedy—that he was a pioneer in Jesuit higher education, that he was a distinguished scholar, that he was a gifted teacher—all true. But he was also a gentleman through and through, a warm and generous mentor, and a friend. We will all miss him greatly.”www.jesuitseast.org/news-detail?tn=news-20160317023217&method=draftReedy was a fraud. His departure from HC had nothing to do with health related issues. I have shared with this board before that I blew the whistle on Reedy. In fact, I shared that statement with GR himself. In light of the fact that a meaningful period of time his passed and that GR has now passed on, I do not feel a need any compunction in stating this. I do not feel anything is to be gained by going into specifics on GR, but the cover that the priesthood provides its own is central to the major problems within the church over many decades. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2020 16:16:19 GMT -5
With all due respect to Fr. McShane, if this quote is any sort of indication as to his judge of character, I am not impressed: “The Society of Jesus lost a great man today,” said Fr. Joseph McShane, SJ, president of Fordham. “I could say many things about Fr. Reedy—that he was a pioneer in Jesuit higher education, that he was a distinguished scholar, that he was a gifted teacher—all true. But he was also a gentleman through and through, a warm and generous mentor, and a friend. We will all miss him greatly.”www.jesuitseast.org/news-detail?tn=news-20160317023217&method=draftReedy was a fraud. His departure from HC had nothing to do with health related issues. I have shared with this board before that I blew the whistle on Reedy. In fact, I shared that statement with GR himself. In light of the fact that a meaningful period of time his passed and that GR has now passed on, I do not feel a need any compunction in stating this. I do not feel anything is to be gained by going into specifics on GR, but the cover that the priesthood provides its own is central to the major problems within the church over many decades. We should all be the high character person that Fr.McShane is |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 22, 2020 16:49:32 GMT -5
It took a while for me to think of the following.
If HC had hired Pitino, it would have meant that a lot of the constraints on our basketball coaches would, by definition, have been lessened. So, I guess from that angle, and that angle alone, I'd have supported it.
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Post by Tom on Mar 22, 2020 16:49:46 GMT -5
In 1978-79 Boston College had it's basketball point shaving scandal. In 1996 Boston College suspended 13 football players due to a scandal involving players betting on a football game vs. Syracuse. Does anyone consider B.C. a moral cesspool? According to anecdotal evidence on this board about admissions, BC may have eclipsed scandal free HC in attractiveness to applicants since those scandals. Poor analogy. There's a difference between students behaving badly and employees of the school in a position of authority behaving badly. |
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Post by sarasota on Mar 22, 2020 16:52:41 GMT -5
No problem. Iona, the great academic institution, has beaten little HC in the race to hire RP, the sterling example of integrity. HC is lucky to have an honorable helmsman guiding our ship. HC is a high quality, high integrity, nationally acclaimed academic institution. Iona is not and has a low level reputation. There's nothing wrong with Iona's academic reputation. When it comes to "reputation," sports and academics are usually quite separate. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 22, 2020 18:02:12 GMT -5
I'm tired of rock and rolling, I'm tired of being strange, I think I'll go bowling, I think I'll join the Grange. -Martin Mull Perhaps after trying the dishonorable route and getting burned, Pitino is seeking to coach with honor in his last stop. I hope so. However, I think the Celtics were supposed to be his last stop, too.  |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 22, 2020 19:41:13 GMT -5
Fr.McShane, President of Fordham, would never hire Pitino or anyone with a resume like his. Fr McShane is a great president. The Pitino debate clearly illustrates why neither Holy Cross or Fordham belong in the entertainment business of big-time college athletics. |
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Post by jkh67 on Mar 22, 2020 19:47:16 GMT -5
Men, men. Really now. HC didn't hire Pitino, Iona did. So what's with all this bloviating over something that ain't gonna happen. We have a coach. His name is Nelson. We've got to give him a fair chance to show what he can do. Enough already.
But speaking of Pitino (and bloviating myself a bit), I wouldn't have hired him for two reasons. First, regardless of his relationship with my classmate, Ralph Willard, and regardless of whatever basketball coaching skills he may still have, he is an ethical/moral cesspool of the first order. Second, I'm not sure J.C. himself can resurrect a program more than a decade removed from any relevance regionally, much less nationally, and sitting at the bottom of the abysmal PL. And, believe me, no one hates saying that more than me.
I'm hoping that Coach Nelson will prove me wrong on HC's basketball future. So, let's stop the grousing and give him, his team, and our alma mater all the support we can.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 22, 2020 21:02:28 GMT -5
Men, men. Really now. HC didn't hire Pitino, Iona did. So what's with all this bloviating over something that ain't gonna happen. We have a coach. His name is Nelson. We've got to give him a fair chance to show what he can do. Enough already. But speaking of Pitino (and bloviating myself a bit), I wouldn't have hired him for two reasons. First, regardless of his relationship with my classmate, Ralph Willard, and regardless of whatever basketball coaching skills he may still have, he is an ethical/moral cesspool of the first order. Second, I'm not sure J.C. himself can resurrect a program more than a decade removed from any relevance regionally, much less nationally, and sitting at the bottom of the abysmal PL. And, believe me, no one hates saying that more than me. I'm hoping that Coach Nelson will prove me wrong on HC's basketball future. So, let's stop the grousing and give him, his team, and our alma mater all the support we can. I think both J.C. and R.P. are fully capable of doing this. But aside from that your post is spot on. |
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Post by Xmassader on Mar 23, 2020 12:52:36 GMT -5
I find it interesting to see that the poll is split precisely 50%-50%—reflective in my mind that probably all 56 posters would have wanted him from a pure basketball coaching point of view and that none of the 56 posters would have wanted him on a character/conduct/integrity point of view.
Would have been interesting to see what the search committee would have done if John Beilein was in the same position in June, 2019 that he is in now (having left Michigan for the Cavaliers and then having left the Cavaliers mid-season and without another job) Of course, we’ll never know. As they say, “Timing in life is everything”.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2020 13:01:31 GMT -5
I think Beilein would have been welcomed, though the memory of Carmody May have dissuaded some on the committee.
Unlike Pitino, Beilein’s only semi baggage is his son’s misconduct
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Post by alcovefan on Mar 23, 2020 16:17:59 GMT -5
I try to have the appropriate amount of forgiveness in my heart, but the fact is I have extra capacity for forgiveness if you're a basketball genius. What's the worst that could have happened? Voted yes.
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Post by Crosser on Mar 26, 2020 19:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 26, 2020 19:35:09 GMT -5
Fr.McShane, President of Fordham, would never hire Pitino or anyone with a resume like his. Clearly not. He's content with a 9-22 record. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2020 19:48:33 GMT -5
Would Georgetown hire Pitino ?
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Post by efg72 on Mar 26, 2020 19:54:40 GMT -5
Yes if JT didn’t have a vote in the decision
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