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Post by newfieguy74 on May 1, 2021 6:13:17 GMT -5
What is your understanding of legal vs illegal immigration? My daughter ‘s clients are seeking to obtain residency through the currently defined process and guidelines of the USCIS. The process is extremely long that requires a number of reviews through the court system. Keeping in mind, they have the resources to retain representation by her and colleagues. A person coming from another country no longer can enter by showing up on a ship through an Ellis Island portal, have a few documents stamped, and can reside in the city or town of their choice and that’s it. Even with extended visas, the process is extremely protracted. The large majority of Americans have absolutely no idea how the “legal” immigration process is transacted. Someone who is not sponsored with adequate financial resources to pay for all of the filings required by the immigration court system, has an extremely difficult time being able obtain the required documents of residency for themselves and family. I challenge everyone who does not understand how difficult this process has become (it is not taught properly, if at all in a civics class) to speak with an immigration attorney regarding the current environment. Maybe ask through your parish, if there is a member who practices immigration law, and volunteer on an ongoing basis in their office. Your perspective will change, if you have any compassion and empathy. This is not only an issue in the US, but globally for people seeking to find food and shelter in a better environment, just like your great, great grandfather and grandmother. These are very good points. I am not an immigration attorney but through other areas of my practice (e.g. criminal law)I have seen how byzantine and arduous the immigration process can be. I think everyone, or at least most people, agree that the U.S. should know who enters the country and have rules about how that is done. The current administration does not, contrary to the assertions of some individuals looking to reap political gain. have an "open borders" policy. If you think otherwise you need to obtain a deeper and more granular understand of what's going on. The biggest problem is how to humanely handle desperate people trying to get in. I have to admit that it sometimes makes me angry that people would send their small children unaccompanied or in the company of a coyote to the U.S., but then I consider how desperate a parent must be to do this. Congrss needs to pass comprehensive immigration legislation. In my mind both parties are deserving of much blame for their feckless handling of this issue.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 1, 2021 6:47:34 GMT -5
As the 2020 Census has revealed, the U. S. will economically stagnate and decline without substantial immigration, because the white folks majority ain't having enough kids. (In 2018, the white fertility rate was 83 percent of the Hispanic fertility rate.) In 1960, the overall fertility rate of the U.S. was 3.58, in 2020 it was 1.78. 2021 is likely to represent a further decline, because, quite surprisingly, being stuck at home during a pandemic has not led to more pregnancies, but fewer. www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/For 2017, the fertility rates by race for various states. Non-Hispanic White / Non Hispanic Black / HispanicArizona 1.6 / 1.9 / 2,0 California 1.53 / 1.5 / 1.83 Connecticut 1.48 / 1.58 / 1.94 District of Columbia 1.01 / 1.82 / 1.97 Massachusetts 1.36 / 1.89 / 2.02 New Jersey 1.72 / 1.67 / 2.00 New York 1.64 / 1.57 / 1.81 Texas 1.7 / 1.8 / 2.1 Utah 2.1 / 2.4 / 2.3 U.S. 1.67 / 1.82 / 2.01 www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_01-508.pdfThe replacement fertility rate in the U.S. is 2.1 In 2017, SD at 2.2 and Utah at 2.1 were the only states to have a fertility rate at or above 2.1 Mick Mulvaney, who was Trump's Director of the Office of Management and Budget and Chief of Staff, said in February 2020 www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mulvaney-says-us-is-desperate-for-more-legal-immigrants/2020/02/20/946292b2-5401-11ea-87b2-101dc5477dd7_story.htmlIMO, Ann's apparent failure to fully recognize these demographic trends contributed to her leaving.
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Post by hcpride on May 1, 2021 8:07:18 GMT -5
What is your understanding of legal vs illegal immigration? My daughter ‘s clients are seeking to obtain residency through the currently defined process and guidelines of the USCIS. The process is extremely long that requires a number of reviews through the court system. Keeping in mind, they have the resources to retain representation by her and colleagues. A person coming from another country no longer can enter by showing up on a ship through an Ellis Island portal, have a few documents stamped, and can reside in the city or town of their choice and that’s it. Even with extended visas, the process is extremely protracted. The large majority of Americans have absolutely no idea how the “legal” immigration process is transacted. Someone who is not sponsored with adequate financial resources to pay for all of the filings required by the immigration court system, has an extremely difficult time being able obtain the required documents of residency for themselves and family. I challenge everyone who does not understand how difficult this process has become (it is not taught properly, if at all in a civics class) to speak with an immigration attorney regarding the current environment. Maybe ask through your parish, if there is a member who practices immigration law, and volunteer on an ongoing basis in their office. Your perspective will change, if you have any compassion and empathy. This is not only an issue in the US, but globally for people seeking to find food and shelter in a better environment, just like your great, great grandfather and grandmother. These are very good points. I am not an immigration attorney but through other areas of my practice (e.g. criminal law)I have seen how byzantine and arduous the immigration process can be. I think everyone, or at least most people, agree that the U.S. should know who enters the country and have rules about how that is done. The current administration does not, contrary to the assertions of some individuals looking to reap political gain. have an "open borders" policy. If you think otherwise you need to obtain a deeper and more granular understand of what's going on. The biggest problem is how to humanely handle desperate people trying to get in. I have to admit that it sometimes makes me angry that people would send their small children unaccompanied or in the company of a coyote to the U.S., but then I consider how desperate a parent must be to do this. Congrss needs to pass comprehensive immigration legislation. In my mind both parties are deserving of much blame for their feckless handling of this issue. I don't assume that someone who is against illegal immigration is somehow not grasping the complexities (byzantine and otherwise) of legal immigration. On a related observation it warms the heart to see that so many folks from Latin America and Africa who want to come to America clearly don't buy the fashionable woke jive that we are a hopelessly (explicitly, implicitly, subconsciously, and magically) racist society.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 1, 2021 8:13:55 GMT -5
PP:
Don’t forget hubris. Need I say more.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 1, 2021 8:19:22 GMT -5
There is clearly a difference between illegal immigration and refugees from oppression and hunger.
After reading several articles referenced recently in this thread, it is clearly discernible how we should view each group.
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Post by alum on May 1, 2021 8:40:11 GMT -5
There is clearly a difference between illegal immigration and refugees from oppression and hunger. After reading several articles referenced recently in this thread, it is clearly discernible how we should view each group. And I am annoyed even at the allegedly liberal biased media which fails to detail that many of the people who arrive at the border present themselves to US officials and seek asylum. They are absolutely following the law and ought not be referred to as illegal or undocumented. An incredibly wealthy nation like the US should be able to process these people more quickly than we do. Delays in this process are a big part of the problem at the southern border.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 1, 2021 8:53:21 GMT -5
“The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children.” ― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice.
Students of history will understand the reference regarding Guatemala, Honduras and Central America. If not, PM me, and I can provide a historical reference that will make it clear the context of the quote.
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Post by Tom on May 1, 2021 8:55:45 GMT -5
Even with extended visas, the process is extremely protracted. The large majority of Americans have absolutely no idea how the “legal” immigration process is transacted. Someone who is not sponsored with adequate financial resources to pay for all of the filings required by the immigration court system, has an extremely difficult time being able obtain the required documents of residency for themselves and family. To me, that sounds like a reason to fix the process, not have an open border. I really hate the precedent of having some laws that are OK to break if someone is in a desperate situation. Random FYI - "refugee" is a defined legal immigration status. Anyone who is labeled a refugee by the U.S. government is a legal immigrant.. That does not mean that there aren't many people throughout the world who many of us would think of as refugees that the United States government has not classified as such. And, after expanding on this tangent, just to make some attempt to stay on topic: I would think it would be nice if HC did something for Dr Fauci. An easy option would be an honorary degree
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 1, 2021 9:10:55 GMT -5
No nation state as an entity can survive as a construct organization with an open border. I am certainly not advocating for an open border. What we have on the southern border is a refugee issue due to the lack of economic assistance to resolve hunger, housing and oppression. Fr. James Martin, S.J. wrote the following article in America Magazine, which as a person and as a Christian, we should reflect upon in light of the reactionary rhetoric that is often heard. www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/12/27/were-jesus-mary-and-joseph-refugees-yesA biblical quotation that is relevant is found in Leviticus: “When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not wrong him. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt” (Lev. 19:33-34). An article in US Catholic also provides an understanding of refugees in relation to Christianity. uscatholic.org/articles/201708/was-jesus-a-refugee/
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2021 9:11:38 GMT -5
As the 2020 Census has revealed, the U. S. will economically stagnate and decline without substantial immigration, because the white folks majority ain't having enough kids. (In 2018, the white fertility rate was 83 percent of the Hispanic fertility rate.) In 1960, the overall fertility rate of the U.S. was 3.58, in 2020 it was 1.78. 2021 is likely to represent a further decline, because, quite surprisingly, being stuck at home during a pandemic has not led to more pregnancies, but fewer. www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/For 2017, the fertility rates by race for various states. Non-Hispanic White / Non Hispanic Black / HispanicArizona 1.6 / 1.9 / 2,0 California 1.53 / 1.5 / 1.83 Connecticut 1.48 / 1.58 / 1.94 District of Columbia 1.01 / 1.82 / 1.97 Massachusetts 1.36 / 1.89 / 2.02 New Jersey 1.72 / 1.67 / 2.00 New York 1.64 / 1.57 / 1.81 Texas 1.7 / 1.8 / 2.1 Utah 2.1 / 2.4 / 2.3 U.S. 1.67 / 1.82 / 2.01 www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_01-508.pdfThe replacement fertility rate in the U.S. is 2.1 In 2017, SD at 2.2 and Utah at 2.1 were the only states to have a fertility rate at or above 2.1 Mick Mulvaney, who was Trump's Director of the Office of Management and Budget and Chief of Staff, said in February 2020 www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mulvaney-says-us-is-desperate-for-more-legal-immigrants/2020/02/20/946292b2-5401-11ea-87b2-101dc5477dd7_story.htmlIMO, Ann's apparent failure to fully recognize these demographic trends contributed to her leaving. Eye opening last sentence. What will a new Admissions head honcho do differently?
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Post by HC92 on May 1, 2021 10:38:56 GMT -5
Like everything else, the immigration crisis at our southern border is very complicated both in terms of its varied causes and potential solutions. Anyone who has real solutions on either side should be heard. While we’d all love to be able to do it, it is not practical for the US to take on everyone in the world who lives in a miserable situation. We are $23T in debt. We have hundreds of thousands of people in our country who need help with education, poverty, food insecurity, literacy, etc. We have Russia and China working hard to cripple us in a variety of ways. We are not in a position as a country to be the savior for every problem in the world. Let’s prioritize problems and solutions rather than acting like we can solve them all. When we do that, we don’t solve any and run the very real risk of worsening the ones we already have.
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2021 15:35:48 GMT -5
Even with extended visas, the process is extremely protracted. The large majority of Americans have absolutely no idea how the “legal” immigration process is transacted. Someone who is not sponsored with adequate financial resources to pay for all of the filings required by the immigration court system, has an extremely difficult time being able obtain the required documents of residency for themselves and family. To me, that sounds like a reason to fix the process, not have an open border. I really hate the precedent of having some laws that are OK to break if someone is in a desperate situation. Random FYI - "refugee" is a defined legal immigration status. Anyone who is labeled a refugee by the U.S. government is a legal immigrant.. That does not mean that there aren't many people throughout the world who many of us would think of as refugees that the United States government has not classified as such. And, after expanding on this tangent, just to make some attempt to stay on topic: I would think it would be nice if HC did something for Dr Fauci. An easy option would be an honorary degree An honorary degree? You are a cheap date sir. I suspect the college is trying not to waste Dr. Fauci's once in forever international recognition on something small. Without offending him in any way I think HC would like to do something that will connect the college positively to it's alumnus until today's children are helping their grandchildren consider colleges and the name Dr. Anthony Fauci brings back memories of a hero of their youth. And something that could spur giving to Holy Cross also I presume. But what could that be?
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Post by hchoops on May 1, 2021 15:44:20 GMT -5
An endowed scholarship in his name, ala Billy Collins, for premed-classics students.
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Post by mm67 on May 1, 2021 16:25:20 GMT -5
How 'bout an endowed AB Premed Program in his name. And, a Fauci award for those student-scientists who have distinguished themselves as "men & women for others." - the Fauci Science-Humanities Awards. The Dr. Anthony Fauci Building.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 1, 2021 17:07:52 GMT -5
Anyone know how much money has to be put up to endow a professorship?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 1, 2021 17:29:35 GMT -5
Anyone know how much money has to be put up to endow a professorship? $3-4 million ______________ The college is not asleep at the switch with regard to honoring Dr. Fauci. I have not heard specifics on what is being considered.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 1, 2021 17:44:45 GMT -5
As the 2020 Census has revealed, the U. S. will economically stagnate and decline without substantial immigration, because the white folks majority ain't having enough kids. (In 2018, the white fertility rate was 83 percent of the Hispanic fertility rate.) In 1960, the overall fertility rate of the U.S. was 3.58, in 2020 it was 1.78. 2021 is likely to represent a further decline, because, quite surprisingly, being stuck at home during a pandemic has not led to more pregnancies, but fewer. www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/For 2017, the fertility rates by race for various states. Non-Hispanic White / Non Hispanic Black / HispanicArizona 1.6 / 1.9 / 2,0 California 1.53 / 1.5 / 1.83 Connecticut 1.48 / 1.58 / 1.94 District of Columbia 1.01 / 1.82 / 1.97 Massachusetts 1.36 / 1.89 / 2.02 New Jersey 1.72 / 1.67 / 2.00 New York 1.64 / 1.57 / 1.81 Texas 1.7 / 1.8 / 2.1 Utah 2.1 / 2.4 / 2.3 U.S. 1.67 / 1.82 / 2.01 www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_01-508.pdfThe replacement fertility rate in the U.S. is 2.1 In 2017, SD at 2.2 and Utah at 2.1 were the only states to have a fertility rate at or above 2.1 Mick Mulvaney, who was Trump's Director of the Office of Management and Budget and Chief of Staff, said in February 2020 www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mulvaney-says-us-is-desperate-for-more-legal-immigrants/2020/02/20/946292b2-5401-11ea-87b2-101dc5477dd7_story.htmlIMO, Ann's apparent failure to fully recognize these demographic trends contributed to her leaving. Eye opening last sentence. What will a new Admissions head honcho do differently? Produce a new video promoting HC, the one that is shown at least once during every broadcast. The 'Become More' video that has run for ten? years or so, with footage that pre-dates the Luth, and which features four students, long graduated, with Irish names.
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Post by longsuffering on May 1, 2021 18:27:44 GMT -5
If HC will have to eventually dip it's toe into graduate studies at some point as many other schools have had to broaden their offerings to meet changing market demand, "The Anthony S. Fauci School of Public Health" has a nice ring to it. That would be a project that a goal of raising tens of millions or more for would be appropriate.
In the best case scenario, Dr. Fauci or even just his name and image could function as one of HC's best rainmakers ever, if he is in board with it of course.
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Post by hcpride on May 2, 2021 10:14:39 GMT -5
And, after expanding on this tangent, just to make some attempt to stay on topic: I would think it would be nice if HC did something for Dr Fauci. An easy option would be an honorary degree We honored Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas in that fashion (honorary degree) so something along those lines might be appropriate. I know that Judge Thomas '71 and Dr. Fauci '62 both have large numbers of admirers as well as detractors but as prominent and influential Americans in public service they certainly are deserving of recognition. (Would be a rather neat trick to combine the two of them into a 'named' building or 'named' chair, scholarship, or school to broaden the brand, so to speak.)
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Post by rgs318 on May 2, 2021 13:29:13 GMT -5
I believe he has honorary degrees from BU and American in the PL - but not yet one from Holy Cross. Is that correct?
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Post by CHC8485 on May 2, 2021 13:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on May 2, 2021 14:16:42 GMT -5
Wikipedia does not show HC on his list of honors. They have Bates in the 1990s as his first honorary doctorate.
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2021 14:33:06 GMT -5
Wikipedia does not show HC on his list of honors. They have Bates in the 1990s as his first honorary doctorate. Wikipedia didn't exist in 1987.
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Post by hchoops on May 2, 2021 14:36:10 GMT -5
Wikipedia does not show HC on his list of honors. They have Bates in the 1990s as his first honorary doctorate. Thus once again Wiki is unreliable As my students were tired of hearing.
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Post by rgs318 on May 2, 2021 14:42:23 GMT -5
Wikipedia does not show HC on his list of honors. They have Bates in the 1990s as his first honorary doctorate. Wikipedia didn't exist in 1987. Meaning? Cute response, but Wiki caries many stories from before they were created - including listing Dr Fauci's gradation from HC.
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