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Post by sarasota on Mar 26, 2020 14:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 26, 2020 18:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 27, 2020 7:48:13 GMT -5
you beat me to this btw Cornell alums here on the Cape are claiming him... HC alum response '...he's 2/3 Jesuit educated/trained; the most important part'
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 29, 2020 6:47:46 GMT -5
An article in the Sunday NY Times describes attacks on Fauci by a certain element in American society today. To avoid Dean's strictures, I'll not post a link but if one searches for Fauci and Tom Fitton, one should find the article.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 1, 2020 19:43:38 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Apr 1, 2020 20:22:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's to protect him from "fans". I read the Times article, a new low
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Post by hchoops on Apr 1, 2020 23:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 2, 2020 6:55:12 GMT -5
Troubled times bring out the best in most people, but they make crazy people even crazier. I was waiting for something like this to happen. This is very troubling.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 2, 2020 8:43:26 GMT -5
Even from a national security standpoint, given the importance of his research and leadership in the face of this crisis, he should be protected as a critical asset (sorry to de-humanize a seemingly great person for a second). Silver lining on some lunatics acting out there is that this security was swiftly enacted for him.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 2, 2020 8:47:25 GMT -5
Very sad to think that these threats made it necessary
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 2, 2020 9:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2020 9:16:29 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Apr 2, 2020 9:23:44 GMT -5
Correction Island Park, LI
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2020 9:27:15 GMT -5
/\ Thanks for the correction (and I've been to the place...but I'm more of a red sauce guy)
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Post by td128 on Apr 2, 2020 13:09:12 GMT -5
I state the following with all due respect but I like looking at data and doing comparative analysis. Some of that 'pursuit of the truth' influence taught in lower Carlin way back when. .
FWIW . . . the latest model rolled out just a week ago projected that there would currently be 50k hospitalizations in NYS and 10k in ICU.
Those figures are currently at 13k hospitalizations and 3k in ICU.
So they are off by an order of magnitude. of 300-400%.
This was the new model that was rolled out just last Thursday.
Hmm. . so either that social distancing is working miracles or the model isn't close or perhaps some sort of combo of the two.
Oh, also, people are being discharged from NYS hospitals at an equal to greater rate than those being admitted currently.
I wonder what the models look like for Projected Unemployment Claims?
The actual number of claims last week was 3.3mm and 6.6mm this morning.
Hmmm. . .
Oh, by the way. as of two hours ago, that large naval hospital docked in NYC has seen 3 patients.
I am not minimizing the impact nor the dangers related to this virus but who in the country is playing devil's advocate currently and questioning Bill Gates' sponsored and funded model.
In large measure, I think there is much here of which Orson Welles would be proud.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2020 14:37:25 GMT -5
With respect to the University of Washington model, Projections as of April 2. (I am pretty sure this is a dynamic page, and if one looks at the page tomorrow afternoon, it will show projections as of April 3.) covid19.healthdata.org/projectionsVerification and validation of this model's projections. (This may also be a dynamic page, but should have links to previous verification analyses.) www.healthdata.org/covid/updatesFrom the April 2nd verification page This image reflects a section of the model that is updated daily, and projections adjusted accordingly. For hospitalizations, ventilators, etc. For NY State, at the interactive cell (United States), toggle down to New York. covid19.healthdata.org/projections^^^The data is projections only, there are no updates for actuals, or to reflect actuals. This section of the model is worthless., See also, an overview of assumptions used in the model. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/01/824744490/5-key-facts-the-white-house-isnt-saying-about-their-covid-19-projections_____________________________ The naval hospital ships being used in NYC and LAX are to provide beds for patients who don't have the corona virus. This frees up beds in the 'regular' hospitals for corona virus patients. - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - My familiarity, limited as it may be, with modeling stems from OR courses I took in graduate school, and later from contracting with a consulting firm to produce a model, partly and loosely based on the economics of industrial activity (predominately military) in a geographically discrete part of the former Soviet Union. To my knowledge, both types of modeling were outside the scope of any course syllabus at Holy Cross at the time I was there, or thereafter.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 2, 2020 14:43:04 GMT -5
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Post by td128 on Apr 2, 2020 15:14:14 GMT -5
"The data is projections only, there are no updates for actuals, or to reflect actuals. This section of the model is worthless."
Thank you.
I'll put this on the burner on low simmer.
Cui bono?
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Post by matunuck on Apr 2, 2020 19:52:27 GMT -5
stavridisj @stavridisj · Apr 1 Fully agree -- and as I suggested last week -- when the Navy adds to its hospital ship fleet - the next one should be named USNS Anthony Fauci.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 2, 2020 19:54:18 GMT -5
Are USN ships ever named after living people?
Edit: I did some research.it is not done often but there is a USS Jimmy Carter. As well, the Ronald Reagan and Arleigh Burke were named after their honorees while they were alive
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2020 20:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by td128 on Apr 2, 2020 21:27:30 GMT -5
The White House's model? You may care to read that a little closer. The model on which our fellow alumnus projected 100-200k deaths is the model put out by IMHE. See more here: www.washington.edu/news/2017/01/25/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-boosts-vital-work-of-the-uws-institute-for-health-metrics-and-evaluation/Who is the money behind the IMHE model? Bill Gates. Not a fan of Gates at all. With the actual data nowhere close to Gates' model, interesting that the UN rushes out a request for a mere $2.5 trillion for a new UN/WHO Global Fund for Coronavirus: unctad.org/en/pages/newsdetails.aspx?OriginalVersionID=2315That fund would be 8x the UN's annual budget. Looks like a massive money grab by the globalists led by the crooked Dr. Tedros Adhanom chair of the World Health Organization who chaired the board of the Geneva-based and WHO-affiliated Global Fund when it was rife with fraud back in 2009-2011: www.huffpost.com/entry/how-did-the-global-fund-f_b_5651161" It’s worth noting that the effort to extract the correspondence between the State Department and the Global Fund has been herculean. The Government Accountability Project (GAP) requested the documents in April 2013 through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. The FOIA office at State projected that they would be released over one year later, in June 2014. When June 2014 rolled around, the FOIA officer wrote to say that the search for relevant documents would not be completed until December 2014."I have the letter that the Government Accountability Project ultimately wrote regarding this interaction between the State Department and the Global Fund. What was the conclusion? That the State Department's engagement with the WHO-affiliated Global Fund was "tantamount to fraud." These are the same people (Gates et al) and same organizations (UN, WHO, Global Fund) now looking to get $2.5 trillion in funding. I'm throwing the yellow flag.
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Post by alum on Apr 3, 2020 8:52:51 GMT -5
I state the following with all due respect but I like looking at data and doing comparative analysis. Some of that 'pursuit of the truth' influence taught in lower Carlin way back when. . FWIW . . . the latest model rolled out just a week ago projected that there would currently be 50k hospitalizations in NYS and 10k in ICU.
Those figures are currently at 13k hospitalizations and 3k in ICU.
So they are off by an order of magnitude. of 300-400%.
This was the new model that was rolled out just last Thursday.
Hmm. . so either that social distancing is working miracles or the model isn't close or perhaps some sort of combo of the two.
Oh, also, people are being discharged from NYS hospitals at an equal to greater rate than those being admitted currently.
I wonder what the models look like for Projected Unemployment Claims? The actual number of claims last week was 3.3mm and 6.6mm this morning. Hmmm. . . Oh, by the way. as of two hours ago, that large naval hospital docked in NYC has seen 3 patients. I am not minimizing the impact nor the dangers related to this virus but who in the country is playing devil's advocate currently and questioning Bill Gates' sponsored and funded model. In large measure, I think there is much here of which Orson Welles would be proud. I am not sure of the source of your data. Here is a site which is keeping track covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york#historicalIt lists 20,817 as "hospitalized" in the state of New York. The number is going up each day. The navy hospital ship is only being used for non coronavirus patients per the Navy. It cannot accept patients unless they first go to another hospital to be evaluated to ensure that they don't have the virus. Maybe that will change. See this. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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Post by hcpride on Apr 3, 2020 9:06:39 GMT -5
The Navy ship was viewed by many as more of a gesture than anything else (given the obvious issues with Coronavirus and ships). The ‘overflow’ idea is a bit impractical as NYT points out.
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Post by Ray on Apr 3, 2020 10:22:43 GMT -5
The White House's model? You may care to read that a little closer. The model on which our fellow alumnus projected 100-200k deaths is the model put out by IMHE. See more here: www.washington.edu/news/2017/01/25/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-boosts-vital-work-of-the-uws-institute-for-health-metrics-and-evaluation/Who is the money behind the IMHE model? Bill Gates. Not a fan of Gates at all. With the actual data nowhere close to Gates' model, interesting that the UN rushes out a request for a mere $2.5 trillion for a new UN/WHO Global Fund for Coronavirus: unctad.org/en/pages/newsdetails.aspx?OriginalVersionID=2315That fund would be 8x the UN's annual budget. Looks like a massive money grab by the globalists led by the crooked Dr. Tedros Adhanom chair of the World Health Organization who chaired the board of the Geneva-based and WHO-affiliated Global Fund when it was rife with fraud back in 2009-2011: www.huffpost.com/entry/how-did-the-global-fund-f_b_5651161" It’s worth noting that the effort to extract the correspondence between the State Department and the Global Fund has been herculean. The Government Accountability Project (GAP) requested the documents in April 2013 through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. The FOIA office at State projected that they would be released over one year later, in June 2014. When June 2014 rolled around, the FOIA officer wrote to say that the search for relevant documents would not be completed until December 2014."I have the letter that the Government Accountability Project ultimately wrote regarding this interaction between the State Department and the Global Fund. What was the conclusion? That the State Department's engagement with the WHO-affiliated Global Fund was "tantamount to fraud." These are the same people (Gates et al) and same organizations (UN, WHO, Global Fund) now looking to get $2.5 trillion in funding. I'm throwing the yellow flag.
Actually, I suggest you read the article again. It clearly states that the projections that the White House put forth are their own, and the sourcing of that model is muddy at best. Yes, the IHME model is believed to be one of the inputs, but that is not confirmed. And no, the charts that the WH put forth in their briefing were not IMHE (ie Gates) data.
And as far as what Fauci thinks of models:
Seems as if using and interpreting models is more of a focus area of Birx than Fauci.
Regarding the USNS Comfort... NYC is still at least a week or two away from peak of the curve. I hope the ship continues to have only three patients, but better safe than sorry. I find it refreshing that something got done proactively for a change. Hope to see more of that in the next month.
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